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8 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

George hasn’t unsettled the team. Saturday was down to the back four having a mare and missed chances. GT does a lot of work but doesn’t always read the game as much as Lee as you would expect so dropping Lee to the holding midfielder is probably better to support the back 4. 
 

Apart from a few games we have been shit for large parts of our good run and sneaked results - now is the time for all to step up to the plate or we will be playing league 2 football again next season 

 

 

He’s unsettled the team because other movements have been made to accommodate him. Lee has been moved away from his partnership with MJ and the two together both protected the back four and provided an outlet for Santos and Bats. Grimsby’s first goal was an illustration of that where they just ran straight through us to score and that hasn’t happened with Lee and MJ together. Neither could midfield shut down the supply of crosses to their forwards, again something Lee and MJ effect. If George could play a more forward role it would be different but he can’t at this moment, so for me we have to go back to the shape we had when we were winning and probably Delf coming in again. As I say, next season when IE can bring in better players, George can fit in as part of that but for now I’d have him on the bench for when needed.

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The words “drop” and “Lee” should not be put in the same sentence unless started with “one thing we should not do is...” He’s the best centre mid in the league for fuck sake. He missed a couple o

GT upsetting the team? Crikey, he changed the game against Walsall, and we won. Best player by all accounts the other day too. It's up to other players to pull their fingers out and get

I can't imagine that thought ever entering my head!

got to win this, Morecambe are at bottom placed 1 defeat in 10 Grimsby tomorrow

then got to not lose at Morecambe at the weekend

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2 minutes ago, Traf said:

got to win this, Morecambe are at bottom placed 1 defeat in 10 Grimsby tomorrow

then got to not lose at Morecambe at the weekend

Agree Traf, it’s still up to us so it’s a must win tomorrow, then don’t lose to Morecambe. I’m a bit worried Grimsby will be a bit down after beating us then finding Colchester won later but let’s hope not too much to give it a go because they have nothing to lose. Maybe Hurst should show his players where we were in January and where we are now?

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10 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

I think we need to just keep calm. Earlier in the season we weren’t even creating chances, now we are but are missing them. That won’t last and if we keep creating they will surely go in. Personally, much as I’ve criticised him, we’ve won most of our games with Fonz in the side so I’d leave George on the bench and start Fonz at No10 and drop Lee back with Williams. George has been great but his inclusion seems to have unsettled the team. I personally think next year is George’s time, so until we’ve secured promotion I’d leave him on the bench and keep the team that’s been most productive. Doyle must start because our only other option is Miller and basically he isn’t as good. I did consider him being dropped but that seems to be cutting your nose off to spite your face. He’s still our top scorer so must start.

This along with you subsequent post is a very reasoned argument. So fair play to you.

In the same spirit let me highlight why you earlier posts were received so badly. Along with Ratchet you arrived here explaining how we needed to change and create and score more goals. Delf was a particular subject for your views. As a result of injuries we did change, we did create more chances and Delf was dropped. 
 

You are now saying in essence 'change it back' so presumably you will be happy to say that those arguing  we should not change and that despite winning by 1 goal we were fine were right ? 
 

Your point on Lee is IMO 100% correct in that protecting the back 4 frees up everyone else to do very defined jobs. At the time you argued we should attack more if we could do it without increasing risk, but the two go hand in hand which was the point others were making. 
 

I would be a millions times happier if after the changes we had gone and beat Grimsby and maybe with Lee deeper the result would have been the same. Who knows ? 

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2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Agree Traf, it’s still up to us so it’s a must win tomorrow, then don’t lose to Morecambe. I’m a bit worried Grimsby will be a bit down after beating us then finding Colchester won later but let’s hope not too much to give it a go because they have nothing to lose. Maybe Hurst should show his players where we were in January and where we are now?

Morecambe score and concede goals (avg 2.8 goals per game), suggesting open games. Grimsby thrived on the unusual openness of our play on Saturday and with more luck/composure in front of goal, could have scored plenty. Hopefully they'll bag a few this time.

One could argue that Grimsby need the points more.

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2 hours ago, jeep said:

Need to be patient....

Bolton 2

Carlisle United 1

 

Morecambe draw 1-1 at Grimsby....

That would be wonderful and with FGR playing Exeter we could have the buffer we had before the Grimsby game. 

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32 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

That would be wonderful and with FGR playing Exeter we could have the buffer we had before the Grimsby game. 

We wont! If we win and Morecambe draw, we will be 3 points in front, instead of the 4 point buffer before the Grimsby game.

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6 hours ago, Ani said:

This along with you subsequent post is a very reasoned argument. So fair play to you.

In the same spirit let me highlight why you earlier posts were received so badly. Along with Ratchet you arrived here explaining how we needed to change and create and score more goals. Delf was a particular subject for your views. As a result of injuries we did change, we did create more chances and Delf was dropped. 
 

You are now saying in essence 'change it back' so presumably you will be happy to say that those arguing  we should not change and that despite winning by 1 goal we were fine were right ? 
 

Your point on Lee is IMO 100% correct in that protecting the back 4 frees up everyone else to do very defined jobs. At the time you argued we should attack more if we could do it without increasing risk, but the two go hand in hand which was the point others were making. 
 

I would be a millions times happier if after the changes we had gone and beat Grimsby and maybe with Lee deeper the result would have been the same. Who knows ? 

I recommended two main changes Ani, replace Isgrove on the right who I thought was putting plenty effort in but with no effect and drop Delf who I thought should be contributing more with his undoubted talent. Since then ISgrove has actually massively improved playing with Jones and Sarcevic has suffered a long injury. The option chosen by IE to move Lee into the No10 spot for me hasn’t worked, so it seems logical to move him back alongside MJ and because none of our other options are better, put Delf back in the 10 role. 
 

At the end of the day, the main problem recently has not been creating chances but taking them. Maybe I came over in my original comments as hyper critical, rather than Constructive but I certainly didn’t mean to and I think with just minor tweaking and players performing as they can, we’ll get the results we need in the next few weeks. I’ll still say it as I see it but I’ll try to ensure it’s said positively. 😉🤗

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8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

GT upsetting the team?

Crikey, he changed the game against Walsall, and we won.

Best player by all accounts the other day too.

It's up to other players to pull their fingers out and get back to where they were.

Agree, a kid plucked from non-league and he was unlucky to be dropped in the first place. 

He has been first class for me. I liked him from day one.  

Drop Lee, his number 10 role hasn't worked. He couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Replace with Delfonso or Miller for Tuesday.

4-4-2.  

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12 minutes ago, captainmed said:

Agree, a kid plucked from non-league and he was unlucky to be dropped in the first place. 

He has been first class for me. I liked him from day one.  

Drop Lee, his number 10 role hasn't worked. He couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Replace with Delfonso or Miller for Tuesday.

4-4-2.  

I wouldn’t be dropping any old heads, I’d bring Sarcevic back if he’s fit, if not keep Thompson in the team, if Sarce is fit it has to be him Lee & MJ, purely based on them having experience in a high pressure game. 

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10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I wouldn’t be dropping any old heads, I’d bring Sarcevic back if he’s fit, if not keep Thompson in the team, if Sarce is fit it has to be him Lee & MJ, purely based on them having experience in a high pressure game. 

I understand your thought process. 

Still think you are wrong through. 

:) 

I would not drop GT for anyone.  

 

 

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6 minutes ago, captainmed said:

I understand your thought process. 

Still think you are wrong through. 

:) 

I would not drop GT for anyone.  

 

 

I like GT but if I was Evatt I’d be looking for game management from experienced pros over a great young kid and think that’s what Evatt will do if Sarce is available.  

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1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Think sarce is back for morecambe

he won’t risk it for Carlisle 

When you say you think, is this based on inside knowledge or the science of saying something which may or not happen but if it does then you “knew all along”?

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5 minutes ago, MickyD said:

When you say you think, is this based on inside knowledge or the science of saying something which may or not happen but if it does then you “knew all along”?

Ok il re phrase IE in the bolton news says no for tomorrow but squad for Saturday 

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2 hours ago, captainmed said:

Agree, a kid plucked from non-league and he was unlucky to be dropped in the first place. 

He has been first class for me. I liked him from day one.  

Drop Lee, his number 10 role hasn't worked. He couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

Replace with Delfonso or Miller for Tuesday.

4-4-2.  

For me, if we went to that formation, then I'd have GT on the left of midfield, Lee and Williams in the middle with Isgrove right.

GT has shown he can pass a ball, and I reckon he'd supply more crosses to a front two than dapo.

However, I don't see IE changing to that formation. 

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33 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

For me, if we went to that formation, then I'd have GT on the left of midfield, Lee and Williams in the middle with Isgrove right.

GT has shown he can pass a ball, and I reckon he'd supply more crosses to a front two than dapo.

However, I don't see IE changing to that formation. 

With Isgrove and GT as "wide" players, we'd seriously lack pace.

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16 minutes ago, Traf said:

With Isgrove and GT as "wide" players, we'd seriously lack pace.

Which is one of the reasons dapo should and, in my opinion, will play

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

Which is one of the reasons dapo should and, in my opinion, will play

Dapo carries & dribbles the ball better than anyone else in the squad how he’s not scored and not drawn a penalty yet is quite unbelievable. 

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The words “drop” and “Lee” should not be put in the same sentence unless started with “one thing we should not do is...”

He’s the best centre mid in the league for fuck sake. He missed a couple of sitters granted, but you accommodate him with whatever other changes are needed, you do not drop a player as good as him with 4 games left to go and promotion within reach!

FWIW I actually do think we’re a better team with him playing in the 2 next to Williams, but having no Sarce causes us problems for the 10 position (and it means that GT would have to be very unfairly dropped from recent performances) - personally I’d have Fonz in there with Isgrove right and Dapo left. It’s tried and tested and has treated us well for the vast majority of 2021.

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2 hours ago, Traf said:

With Isgrove and GT as "wide" players, we'd seriously lack pace.

We don't have great pace anyhow. Isgrove and Jones work the right as a partnership.

Dapo might have some pace, but doesn't do too much with it.

The point of putting GT wide is that he can clearly put a ball across, in particular with the left foot. Beckham had no great pace, but there was no finer crosser of a ball.

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

The words “drop” and “Lee” should not be put in the same sentence unless started with “one thing we should not do is...”

He’s the best centre mid in the league for fuck sake. He missed a couple of sitters granted, but you accommodate him with whatever other changes are needed, you do not drop a player as good as him with 4 games left to go and promotion within reach!

FWIW I actually do think we’re a better team with him playing in the 2 next to Williams, but having no Sarce causes us problems for the 10 position (and it means that GT would have to be very unfairly dropped from recent performances) - personally I’d have Fonz in there with Isgrove right and Dapo left. It’s tried and tested and has treated us well for the vast majority of 2021.

Exactly 👌

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