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4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Fair enough, I think that's great - but will every fan? I hope I'm pleasently surprised because when push has come to shove over recent times fans crumble - look at the Ashley out campaign, the Yellow and Green Glazer out stuff. People still went, bought shirts, cheered new expensive signings, complained when they didn't get in the top four despite the plain economics meaning its difficult. I mean, people talk about Leicester but their wage bill was £150 m and their revenue total was £179 m - basically, the bigger clubs were run 'better' in that only over hald their revnue was spent on wages. Leicester (and Everton I'm sorry to say) are allowed to buy who they can bcause of Sky and rich external money men who get into the game because of Sky etc 

Is everyone ready for a complete re-set, and what the hell would even look like?

 

Everton bought who they wanted before sky anyway, we do have the advantage of having a big fan base.

IF money went, than it would level alot of the prem again.

Obviously the big waged foreigners would go....not arsed about most of them anyway. Rather play young lads every game...couldn't care less if we are in europe or mid-table.

 

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Salford Vain Hire - drive summat for a bit at a cost, and then drop it back and forget about it

I hate them with an absolute passion 

Just now, Pablo said:

 

Everton bought who they wanted before sky anyway, we do have the advantage of having a big fan base.

IF money went, than it would level alot of the prem again.

Obviously the big waged foreigners would go....not arsed about most of them anyway. Rather play young lads every game...couldn't care less if we are in europe or mid-table.

 

Fan base has got nothing to do with who you can buy, that's the model for the 19th century. Its gone, unless you have real global reach, which given your revenue shows you just don't have it in the same way as the bigger clubs.

Its about money, and broadcast money. You can buy who you can because of the PL broadcast rights. Over 85% of Everton's budget goes on just wages - that's nuts. It won't level anything, it'll just cripple domestic leagues for a very long time. Any clubs like Everton will reduce in size as the super clubs capture more and more of the market. It'll shrink the fan bases of those not included, not grow them. That's why they are doing this.

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1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Fan base has got nothing to do with who you can buy, that's the model for the 19th century. Its gone, unless you have real global reach, which given your revenue shows you just don't have it in the same way as the bigger clubs.

Its about money, and broadcast money. You can buy who you can because of the PL broadcast rights. Over 85% of Everton's budget goes on just wages - that's nuts. It won't level anything, it'll just cripple domestic leagues for a very long time. Any clubs like Everton will reduce in size as the super clubs capture more and more of the market. It'll shrink the fan bases of those not included, not grow them. That's why they are doing this.

 

If the club cant afford it, they will sell those players.

Its debt that would kill us, but we dont have any of that.

If the money goes, it goes for the other club too.....then the main income would be from the fans, thats when the fan base would matter more than ever.

 

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2 minutes ago, Pablo said:

 

If the club cant afford it, they will sell those players.

Its debt that would kill us, but we dont have any of that.

If the money goes, it goes for the other club too.....then the main income would be from the fans, thats when the fan base would matter more than ever.

 

That's a really nice thought, but I think its a bit naive and generationally we will see a huge difference. This isn't going to benefit anyone and I have a feeling it's going to be the midtable PL clubs who will be hit first and hit hardest.

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10 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Man Utd's stockmarket value went up on the annoucement of the Super League.

This is what matters now, if anyone tells you any different they are fooling themselves.

Football survived long before Sky, would it be so bad to go back to clubs surviving on the size of their support? Sure we won't get to see the best players in the world but if my club is winning I don't give a fuck 

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Just now, Not in Crawley said:

That's a really nice thought, but I think its a bit naive and generationally we will see a huge difference. This isn't going to benefit anyone and I have a feeling it's going to be the midtable PL clubs who will be hit first and hit hardest.

 

You are goint to extreme with it.

We have a high % wages to TO, becuase we are propped up by rich owners, and they know what they are doing, and can throw more in at any time, like they are doing.

Sky money is not disapearing, it may drop next year a bit, but not like what you are hinting at.

We would be fine, we are not run by Bill and his re-mortgaged house anymore.

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3 minutes ago, Revelredne1961 said:

Football survived long before Sky, would it be so bad to go back to clubs surviving on the size of their support? Sure we won't get to see the best players in the world but if my club is winning I don't give a fuck 

It did, but look at the world post 92, as I say, are fans ready for the chnage that is going to be needed to come in? Or rather will they sit at home and pay subs to watch the biggest teams in the world play each other in Hong Kong? I don't know - some will stay and support, but we've seen how passive fans have been with these changes over the years that have benefitted clubs and shareholders but not them. Like I say, I hope I'm wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Pablo said:

 

You are goint to extreme with it.

We have a high % wages to TO, becuase we are propped up by rich owners, and they know what they are doing, and can throw more in at any time, like they are doing.

Sky money is not disapearing, it may drop next year a bit, but not like what you are hinting at.

We would be fine, we are not run by Bill and his re-mortgaged house anymore.

I'm not really, you just have to peel back a bit of the numbers - if the product is massively diminshed, so will be the money - why do you think they are doing this? I'm not saying the likes of Everton will go pop but I've a feeling clubs will shrink into domestic relevance. That might be great for some, but I'd be interested to see the boardrooms of Villa, Leeds, Everton, Leicester, West Ham right now.

The next few weeks are going to 

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3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Man Utd's stockmarket value went up on the annoucement of the Super League.

This is what matters now, if anyone tells you any different they are fooling themselves.

Not sure anyone is doubting the numbers, especially in the short/medium term for the elite.

I would challenge that 'product' that will be delivered will be a massively sanitised version. As much as this saddens me I take some comfort that these fuckers will never know what a 1-0 win at Salford followed by 2-1 defeat at Grimsby feels like. The problem of removing emotion from the 'business' you also will over time reduce the marketability of the product. 

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5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not really, you just have to peel back a bit of the numbers - if the product is massively diminshed, so will be the money - why do you think they are doing this? I'm not saying the likes of Everton will go pop but I've a feeling clubs will shrink into domestic relevance. That might be great for some, but I'd be interested to see the boardrooms of Villa, Leeds, Everton, Leicester, West Ham right now.

The next few weeks are going to 

 

Thats all those clubs are anyway, so no loss.

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Just now, Ani said:

Not sure anyone is doubting the numbers, especially in the short/medium term for the elite.

I would challenge that 'product' that will be delivered will be a massively sanitised version. As much as this saddens me I take some comfort that these fuckers will never know what a 1-0 win at Salford followed by 2-1 defeat at Grimsby feels like. The problem of removing emotion from the 'business' you also will over time reduce the marketability of the product. 

I agree, but think of how people complained about the sanitised PL, and the numbers watching in on TV - how that has grown and grown? I agree they are taking a huge gamble but its not one they would have taken without due dilligence - and say the market goes pop, the owners would have made their money. Why do they care about Salford or Liverpool? High level asset stripping possibly - but these are barnded cash cows not football clubs - that's just a vauge backdrop.

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Just now, Pablo said:

 

Thats all those clubs are anyway, so no loss.

But think over time, smaller league, smaller money, the glamour elsewhere.....you see it in every Bolton born Utd fan, every Londoner wearing a Liverpool shirt. It'll start a more concerted domestic contraction, which is why those clubs will be up in arms.

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this WILL happen. its just a matter of time until the existing "authorities" are paid off and an agreement is made.

unfortunatley the number of daytrippers for the "super clubs" outweighs the real fans. therefore there is FAR more money to be made, even if they do piss off the die hard. so this is not gonna go away.

yesterday is the end of football as we know it.

not only is neville opinion totally insignificant. due to the size of this deal, so is the the voice of sky. they are just gutted they will miss out on the broadcasting rights.

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1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

But think over time, smaller league, smaller money, the glamour elsewhere.....you see it in every Bolton born Utd fan, every Londoner wearing a Liverpool shirt. It'll start a more concerted domestic contraction, which is why those clubs will be up in arms.

 

Those super league clubs will be back way before that happens.

Someone has to be bottom of that league...do you think clubs used to being the top, will be happy to be bottom of this new thing !?! Its not as rosey for everyone as it seems.

 

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1 hour ago, leigh white said:

I waited a long time for a Bolton v Man U fixture in the mid 70s, going to be well fucked now.

The thought of never crossing paths with those window lickers is quite a tempting proposition if I’m honest

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Not trawling back, so sorry if it has been said already....

Fuck 'em.
Let 'em go.
Don't let them back in.
Bar their players from playing for England.
Re build the league as a 4-division set up of 20 and 3 x 22 without them.

4 up, 4 down from every league to avoid late season dead-rubbers

Still relegate clubs this season as planned

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I despise the scousers, especially their fans,but credit where credit is due no and I do mean NO ONE makes banners faster than them. 
Anfield covered in anti super league banners less than 24 hours after the news broke.

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Just now, Rudy said:

I despise the scousers, especially their fans,but credit where credit is due no and I do mean NO ONE makes banners faster than them. 
Anfield covered in anti super league banners less than 24 hours after the news broke.

They've hardly much else to do in daylight.

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A lot depends on what the final structure looks like. 
 

If the teams are excluded from the top leagues and cups and the players banned from International football it is totally different than if they retain those rights. 
 

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2 minutes ago, Traf said:

They've hardly much else to do in daylight.

They’re probably the Velcro ones reused for support for Suarez

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10 minutes ago, Rudy said:

I despise the scousers, especially their fans,but credit where credit is due no and I do mean NO ONE makes banners faster than them. 
Anfield covered in anti super league banners less than 24 hours after the news broke.

I was thinking that.

They must have a press next to the stadium

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