Meanwhile in Israel

[wanderer1984]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

And here's a brief explantation re Egypt's 'help' to call for, the Saudi's and Jordan are much keener on keeping the close ties with the West in general - and are folowing the Arab League line (see below) The reason why Epypt won't open its boarders is it's long held foreign policy which this situation compounds. They fear nearly 2 million people crossing the border at Rafah, where don't forget the country is already fighting insurgents of their own and then assuming responsibility for millions of refugees (as a confirmed Brexiteer you might have some sympathy with this policy, no?) Egypt also fears that within these reguees will be insurgents of their own which will want to fight Israel from Epypt and the country doesn't want to enter into a defacto war with Israel by default. 

Also to compound all this, and to follow on from the link above the Rafah crossing is inoperable due to the airstrikes, so even getting cross - especially for the old, sick, young, infirm, is nigh on impossible. 

The Arab League has rejected taking in more people on the basis that this is what Israel wants - to just get rid of the population across other Arab countries, and finally have them removed. So you can see how politically difficult this is.

The US is working with Egypt on boarder crossings, which would be huge amounts of help and aid from the States, and some concessions that the US probably wouldn't want to cede - such as the shitload more money. They Egypt already has a lot of refguees and in taking more the country faces financial ruin due to the preilous state of its economy.

Anyway, don't take my word for it - its all there online, in books, in periodcials, magazines, newspapers etc etc

 

A decent explanation. LW should take note 👍🏻

 

[London Wanderer]

41 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’re probably best off watching the video of the woman and the baby again. 👍

I see. Is that the women you were ‘advising’ ?

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

A decent explanation. LW should take note 👍🏻

 

😂 I sure did.

I told you you’d find your answers in that post.

 Glad you did 👍

[London Wanderer]

45 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

To be fair, and for balance, we had the murder of Jo Cox by a far right terrorist, and then Sir David Amess who was murdered by someone who wanted to seek revenage for Syria bombings.

So, lets not try and get all foamy mouthed and partisan and try and remeber the facts about these sort of things before making ill-judged inflamatory statements about left vs right which does nothing to actually help except grind more axes and fuel more anger.

 

You’d think the people protesting outside the MPs office were trying to smash the place up & hang all the staff based on the response from here. I was waiting for the second half of the video.

Apparently it’s the inflammatory use of the word “target” ffs.

Edited November 14, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I see. Is that the women you were ‘advising’ ?

No need to advise, she was following others. Why was she leaving? 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

No need to advise, she was following others. Why was she leaving? 

You tell me boss. Not the seen the video.

we were talking about the Al-Shifa before you said Whataboutthis

I imagine it’s because they could?

 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You tell me boss. Not the seen the video.

we were talking about the Al-Shifa before you said Whataboutthis

I imagine it’s because they could?

 

You’ve not seen the video? 😂 it’s what I’ve been talking about since zico posted it. You have seen the video, stop lying. Watch it again and then try and answer the question.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

53 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

People protest outside MPs offices all the bloody time.

 Like clockwork, for all sorts of reasons.

MPs expect it and so do the staff working there.

 I’ll ask again. Was there any violence? Is it illegal?

If not then let’s move on.

It's not true that people organise protests outside MPs offices "like clockwork"

Two MPs have been murdered in recent years and calls for people to "target" their MPs offices are clearly inflammatory and shouldn't be dismissed

But, as stated, you're only interested in playing games at this point

[little whitt]

just drove up Daubhill 

and near McDs at the bottom and 1/2 way up 

2 blokes Drapped in a Palestine Flag in the middle of the Road 

with Buckets collecting money 

 

Now if they cant get Aid in 

how they going to get the British Pound in 

[Casino]

its a shame....

Quote

Now we've spoken to Dr Adnan al-Bursh from the hospital, who says 200 bodies have been buried in the hospital grounds.

It took around 100 of the hospital’s medical team six hours to bury the 200 bodies. “We started off at 08:30 in the morning and finished around 15:00 local time,” he says.

Al-Bursh, head of the orthopaedic surgery department, says bodies “have been left for days until decomposed” and so medics were left with little choice but to make a mass grave.

He says they “were not able to open the windows in the buildings because of the bad smell coming out of the courtyard” - adding that around 120 dead bodies were out there, before being buried.

Another 80 were in the morgue, he says, with mostly women and children among the dead.

The Red Cross warned the medics to leave them due to safety fears from ongoing shelling, "but we took the responsibility [to bury them],” Al-Bursh says.

 

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's not true that people organise protests outside MPs offices "like clockwork"

Two MPs have been murdered in recent years and calls for people to "target" their MPs offices are clearly inflammatory and shouldn't be dismissed

But, as stated, you're only interested in playing games at this point

absolutely, we need to be wary.

I’m not playing a game

 A peaceful protest outside an MPs office is perfectly reasonable in a democratic country. 

You’ve not said there was violence, so I’ll assume it was fine. 

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

its a shame....

 

Not on purpose either … 

such is war. 

Have you heard about the people protesting outside an MPs office?

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

its a shame....

 

If only Palestines elected leaders would ask their terrorists organisation - sorry military - to stop hiding in hospitals and firing at the IDF. 

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

If only Palestines elected leaders would ask their terrorists organisation - sorry military - to stop hiding in hospitals and firing at the IDF. 

elected, you say it like its important...is it fuck

the majority of the population havent had chance to vote in an election and the majority of those killed definitely havent

no need to be sorry about the terrorist/military distinction, theyre terrorists and as such, i expect em to do some pretty shit things

military types, well i reckon its fair to hold em to hifger standards, unless of course theyre no fucking better than what they claim to be looking to destroy

 

anyway, thats my one input for today

you enjoy playing silly games with LW for the rest of the night while innocents are getting dead

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

elected, you say it like its important...is it fuck

the majority of the population havent had chance to vote in an election and the majority of those killed definitely havent

no need to be sorry about the terrorist/military distinction, theyre terrorists and as such, i expect em to do some pretty shit things

military types, well i reckon its fair to hold em to hifger standards, unless of course theyre no fucking better than what they claim to be looking to destroy

 

anyway, thats my one input for today

you enjoy playing silly games with LW for the rest of the night while innocents are getting dead

Ok just leaders then, happy now? 
 

Innocents have been getting dead for years around the world in different conflicts. Remember that band wagon I mentioned. Enjoy your night. 

[BobyBrno]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

Ok just leaders then, happy now? 
 

Innocents have been getting dead for years around the world in different conflicts. Remember that band wagon I mentioned. Enjoy your night. 

About 4.5 million according to The Washington Post since 9/11. 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/15/war-on-terror-911-deaths-afghanistan-iraq/

[Spider]

Iran don’t seem to be doing much

Not the most solid ally

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

its a shame....

 

It is a shame, it’s also a shame 1400 innocent Jews were murdered by Hamas which triggered this latest round of deaths. If that hadn’t happened none of the Gaza deaths happen. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

 elected leaders 

🤔😕

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

absolutely, we need to be wary.

I’m not playing a game

 A peaceful protest outside an MPs office is perfectly reasonable in a democratic country. 

You’ve not said there was violence, so I’ll assume it was fine. 

The video was of a speaker encouraging people to "target" the offices of MPs who haven't yet or have refused to call for a ceasfire, not of a protest outside one

But in a parliamentary documentary such as ours, constituents can attend a constituency surgery and raise issues with their MP directly 

I'm not entirely sure why a "protest" outside their constituency office is necessary, reasonable, or intended to achieve outside of being an intimidation tactic

[Not in Crawley]

30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is a shame, it’s also a shame 1400 innocent Jews were murdered by Hamas which triggered this latest round of deaths. If that hadn’t happened none of the Gaza deaths happen. 

Well, it's not exactly the land of milk and honey at any other time either to be fair (imagery intended)

You really need to step outside of this black and white world you live in on most topics as the realities are generally more complex and the areas much more grey.

It's not a TV show.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[London Wanderer]

15 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The video was of a speaker encouraging people to "target" the offices of MPs who haven't yet or have refused to call for a ceasfire, not of a protest outside one

But in a parliamentary documentary such as ours, constituents can attend a constituency surgery and raise issues with their MP directly 

I'm not entirely sure why a "protest" outside their constituency office is necessary, reasonable, or intended to achieve outside of being an intimidation tactic

The word target means to direct attention at something. Politicians will talk about targeting voters. 

Sure, target can mean to attack as well. I'm with you that elements of this movement act in an intimidatory way and that some MPs have been threatened. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that an MPs home or place of work is sadly attacked at some point. 

My point is that people are using this to stereotype everyone with a Palestine flag as being intimidatory. Attending a march with a sign for a ceasefire is now being widely labelled as hateful and antisemitic. Protesting outside an MPs place of work is being labelled as intimidating. Videos with no context are being used to make a point and everyone is being put in the same box. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an attack and the person in this video was wrongly blamed for incitement.  

Meanwhile, there are no reports of aggressive behaviour following on from the video you shared. Happy to be proved wrong.  



 

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well, it's not exactly the land of milk and honey at any other time either to be fair (imagery intended)

You really need to step outside of this black and white world you live in on most topics as the realities are generally more complex and the areas much more grey.

It's not a TV show.

Israel could nuke the whole strip and it would still be Hamas' fault

There is no changing some people. 

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Israel could nuke the whole strip and it would still be Hamas' fault

There is no changing some people. 

Are you supporting Hamas?

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Are you supporting Hamas?

Nobody on here supports Hamas. Are you fucking mental?