Meanwhile in Israel

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Seriously, don’t ever criticise other people’s spelling. 👍

I wasn't critiquing the spelling, he spelt the word correctly.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It was a five second clip of a longer speech

I'm not quite sure what the objection is

Do you have a transcript or footage of the entire speech?

Edited November 14, 2023 by Cheese

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Do you have a transcript or footage of the entire speech?

Why is that necessary?

[royal white]

Any Palestinian Arabic speakers on here able to verify this 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by royal white

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I wasn't critiquing the spelling, he spelt the word correctly.

Gym shut?

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Gym shut?

Nope - told you before it's 24 hours, just waiting at the station to pick the Mrs up as she's got a spin class.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is a shame, it’s also a shame 1400 innocent Jews were murdered by Hamas which triggered this latest round of deaths. If that hadn’t happened none of the Gaza deaths happen. 

Can you stop saying Jews when you mean Israelis ? 
I know you do not mean anything by it but it is just not right. 

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I've not made that claim so I don't see why it's relevant here

I think the comparison with MPs claiming they're targetting voters is a false equivalence, to be honest

But while there may or may not prove to be violence resulting from his speech (I'm not sure violence should be the only metric), that shouldn't prevent condemnation of his comments

Course it's relevant

There's no evidence from that video that he is acting in an intimidatory way or that he's inciting others to do. Another trial by social media with no context. Which is my issue - especially if he is now labelled as such. 

As you've shown before, there is plenty of antisemitism out there that we would like to see our police deal more robustly with. But there needs to be a bit more rational thinking when deciding what is and isn't hateful and intimidatory behaviour. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by London Wanderer

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Why is that necessary?

Because you're referring to a "speech" based on a 5 second clip...

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Course it's relevant

There no evidence from that video that he is acting in an intimidatory way or that he's inciting others to do. Another trial by social media with no context. Which is my issue - especially if he is not labelled as such. 

As you've shown before, there is plenty of antisemitism out there that we would like to see our police deal more robustly with. But there needs to be a bit more rational thinking when deciding what is and isn't hateful and intimidatory behaviour. 

It's not relevant if it is itself inflammatory

For example, Braverman's statements would be no less inflammatory or worthy of condemnation even if there had been no "counter-protest" on Saturday or explicit violence against pro-Palestine pritestors because the intent is what matters

Believe there was no malign intent if you want, but I think that belief is naive

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can you stop saying Jews when you mean Israelis ? 
I know you do not mean anything by it but it is just not right. 

Were they all Israelis? 

[BobyBrno]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Nope - told you before it's 24 hours, just waiting at the station to pick the Mrs up as she's got a spin class.

You said you were retiring to the gym. Are you still able to debate? Maybe your Mrs. Can join in when she’s finished her spin class.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Because you're referring to a "speech" based on a 5 second clip...

I still don't really understand why that's such a bone of contention and find it a bizarre objection, but if you'd have preferred me to type comments instead of speech then we can go with that

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can you stop saying Jews when you mean Israelis ? 
I know you do not mean anything by it but it is just not right. 

They were all Jews. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can you stop saying Jews when you mean Israelis ? 
I know you do not mean anything by it but it is just not right. 

They weren't all Isrealis or Jews, for what that's worth

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can you stop saying Jews when you mean Israelis ? 
I know you do not mean anything by it but it is just not right. 

Can the whole world stop blaming Jews when they really don’t like the Israeli government? I’ve never seen so much antisemitism as we see now. Not just here in the UK but worldwide. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Can the whole world stop blaming Jews when they really don’t like the Israeli government? I’ve never seen so much antisemitism as we see now. Not just here in the UK but worldwide. 

Canada especially is in a dark place

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I still don't really understand why that's such a bone of contention and find it a bizarre objection, but if you'd have preferred me to type comments instead of speech then we can go with that

Deary me. Do you think a 5 second snippet of someone talking is enough to give you a good idea of their opinions? No wonder 3-word slogans are so popular.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They weren't all Isrealis or Jews, for what that's worth

I think more if not nearly all were Jewish rather than Israeli so that’s why I said Jews…. And how not sure what the issue ANI has with my original comment. 

[royal white]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

I think more if not nearly all were Jewish rather than Israeli so that’s why I said Jews…. And how not sure what the issue ANI has with my original comment. 

He wants to swap a wrong one for another wrong one, quite odd. 

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They weren't all Isrealis or Jews, for what that's worth

Tbf to you and @royal white you are probably right,  my point really is that a terrorist attack is not clinical enough to only kill the 'enemy' aid workers and others were also killed. 

[London Wanderer]

20 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

All the information coming out of Gaza is from the Hamas governed state.

A ridiculous question then followed by this nonsense.... you been on the golden ale all afternoon?

The UN, Red Cross & Médecins Sans Frontières have all been active in their communications from Gaza. There are also many citizens who are anti-Hamas who have been communicating. 

Hamas' have become quite unpopular and Palestinians are not necessarily afraid to speak out against them or criticise. Interestingly, polls before the war broke out this year were showing 44% greatly mistrusted Hamas and 73% did not share Hamas' view of eliminating Israel. 

Biden was right though. We should treat their figures with caution, but we are also seeing some of these figures confirmed by other sources of information. 

Unicef have also verified the firgues. 
Gaza: UNICEF defends accuracy of death toll as horror unfolds in ravaged enclave | CNN

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Deary me. Do you think a 5 second snippet of someone talking is enough to give you a good idea of their opinions? No wonder 3-word slogans are so popular.

I think it's pretty clear that encouraging people to target MPs offices for any reason is inflammatory, particularly in the context of this issue

There can be no good reason for it

The mechanism for constituents to discuss matters with their MP exists in the form of constituency surgeries

Beyond that, it's a matter of either agreeing to disagree or opting to simply not vote for them

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think more if not nearly all were Jewish rather than Israeli so that’s why I said Jews…. And how not sure what the issue ANI has with my original comment. 

Oh without a doubt

And Hamas would take any opportunity they could to kill Jews anyway so I suppose the point is moot

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Can the whole world stop blaming Jews when they really don’t like the Israeli government? I’ve never seen so much antisemitism as we see now. Not just here in the UK but worldwide. 

Tbf (used that twice now) using the same logic people who do not like the Israeli government are not always anti-Semitic.