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1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Really?

We killed quite a few in Dresden. Retaliation for bombing our chippy’s (They did actually bomb Hick Hargreaves, where I used to work. Long before my time)
That’s just one example. In fact there are many others. Any idea of the numbers in Iraq, Afghanistan?

Believe me, we and others haven’t held back in the killing stakes when attacked. 

Bollocks 

You cannot for one second compare Britain's and Europe's response to Nazi Germany to Israel's response to Hamas

Absolute fucking nonsense

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8 hours ago, Zico said:

Bollocks 

You cannot for one second compare Britain's and Europe's response to Nazi Germany to Israel's response to Hamas

Absolute fucking nonsense

Mmm. You missed out Iraq and Afghanistan. 

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22 hours ago, Zico said:

Bollocks 

You cannot for one second compare Britain's and Europe's response to Nazi Germany to Israel's response to Hamas

Absolute fucking nonsense

We did literally raze Dresden to the ground, though

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53 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We did literally raze Dresden to the ground, though

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Britain and Germany had agreements in place not to bomb Oxford or Cambridge or their important university towns 

Actual bombing deals 

Anyway, it's nothing like this 

And what happened to Dresden doesn't mean it's ok for Israel to commit war crimes 

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16 minutes ago, Zico said:

Britain and Germany had agreements in place not to bomb Oxford or Cambridge or their important university towns 

Actual bombing deals 

Not much use for the civilian population in Dresden

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9 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Not much use for the civilian population in Dresden

Neither was the advanced notice given to the residents of Gaza that there houses were getting flattened 

Abhorrent isn't it

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6 minutes ago, Zico said:

Neither was the advanced notice given to the residents of Gaza that there houses were getting flattened 

Abhorrent isn't it

So perhaps there's at least some comparison then?

War is abhorrent, yes

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1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

So perhaps there's at least some comparison then?

War is abhorrent, yes

Not really 

I don't think you can compare what Britain had to do during the war in Europe in response to the Nazis to what Israel have done in response to Hamas, or use it as a means of justifying what has happened 

 

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2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Not really 

I don't think you can compare what Britain had to do during the war in Europe in response to the Nazis to what Israel have done in response to Hamas, or use it as a means of justifying what has happened 

 

Britain wasn't fighting an enemy that has so thoroughly enmeshed itself within its own civilian infrastructure

Neither was it fighting an enemy that deliberately tries to engineer situations with as many of its own citizen's casualties as possible

I wouldn't want to "justify" or support the actions of either belligerent, but the above should at least be recognised as part of the overall picture and it so rarely is

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I mentioned Dresden in the context of what we would do if our very existence was being threatened and to a large extent, retaliation rather than strategic. For 80 years it’s been a controversial subject. I also mentioned other wars we’ve been involved in and subject to investigations for war crimes. 
People say Israel have a right to defend themselves, I would go further and say they have the right to fight for their very existence. If people want to discuss the Palestinian side of things, fine. (before the questions come) 

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2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:


People say Israel have a right to defend themselves, I would go further and say they have the right to fight for their very existence. If people want to discuss the Palestinian side of things, fine. (before the questions come) 

I agree, both sides have the right to defend and also fight for their very existence. In this case, it'll just keep going on and on and on for ever. The sooner one side can completely kill the other side off and "win" the better maybe. 

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18 hours ago, Zico said:

Britain and Germany had agreements in place not to bomb Oxford or Cambridge or their important university towns 

Actual bombing deals 

 

Research the Baedeker Raids and then reconsider the above please. We bombed the Hanseatic Port of Lubeck (a legitimate military target), Adolf took exception to the raid and the Baedeker Raids were the consequence.

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1 hour ago, Zulu said:

Research the Baedeker Raids and then reconsider the above please. We bombed the Hanseatic Port of Lubeck (a legitimate military target), Adolf took exception to the raid and the Baedeker Raids were the consequence.

We should've bombed there cultural towns then 

Cant trust a nazi to do the right thing

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On 26/05/2024 at 00:43, Zico said:

You cannot for one second compare Britain's and Europe's response to Nazi Germany to Israel's response to Hamas

 

And yet there are those who try to compare Israels defensive and retaliatory actions in Gaza to the holocaust (including you probably).

Absolute fucking nonsense.

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16 hours ago, Sweep said:

I agree, both sides have the right to defend and also fight for their very existence. In this case, it'll just keep going on and on and on for ever. The sooner one side can completely kill the other side off and "win" the better maybe. 

Hmm that's not such a strong case for the defense though is it? Aniliation of a people. What folk like Booby, Raine and Zulu forget in this sort of instance is that conflicts are not an equivalence test and to do so is a way of seeking to justify brutality. 

This isn't WW2, and even in that case you couldn't defend the bombing of Dreseden (as seems to be the strange tangent this thread as gone off on) 

There is a right to defend a nation state and what is currently happening, to turn your eyes away from that smacks of neither wanton naivety or simply people have stupidity picked a side and regardless of any outcome will support it.

 

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1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Hmm that's not such a strong case for the defense though is it? Aniliation of a people. What folk like Booby, Raine and Zulu forget in this sort of instance is that conflicts are not an equivalence test and to do so is a way of seeking to justify brutality. 

This isn't WW2, and even in that case you couldn't defend the bombing of Dreseden (as seems to be the strange tangent this thread as gone off on) 

There is a right to defend a nation state and what is currently happening, to turn your eyes away from that smacks of neither wanton naivety or simply people have stupidity picked a side and regardless of any outcome will support it.

 

Picked a side? No one can condone what happened on Sunday or has happened many times before. People talk about Israel losing. Israel losing means its elimination. A peace deal has to be reached for this war to end but it will not involve Hamas. 
How many more names have you got for me in your school bag? 😊

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2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Hmm that's not such a strong case for the defense though is it? Aniliation of a people. What folk like Booby, Raine and Zulu forget in this sort of instance is that conflicts are not an equivalence test and to do so is a way of seeking to justify brutality. 

This isn't WW2, and even in that case you couldn't defend the bombing of Dreseden (as seems to be the strange tangent this thread as gone off on) 

There is a right to defend a nation state and what is currently happening, to turn your eyes away from that smacks of neither wanton naivety or simply people have stupidity picked a side and regardless of any outcome will support it.

 

Putting words into my mouth again NIC? Either that or your English comprehension isn’t as sharp as you would like to think. 

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1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Picked a side? No one can condone what happened on Sunday or has happened many times before. People talk about Israel losing. Israel losing means its elimination. A peace deal has to be reached for this war to end but it will not involve Hamas. 
How many more names have you got for me in your school bag? 😊

What Saudi Arabia were doing with Israel towards this goal was the catalyst for the evil empire (Iran) to direct its murderous scumbags on the 7th October.

I notice that Mr. Farage has stirred up another hornets nest by speaking the truth again.

 

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1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Picked a side? No one can condone what happened on Sunday or has happened many times before. People talk about Israel losing. Israel losing means its elimination. A peace deal has to be reached for this war to end but it will not involve Hamas. 
How many more names have you got for me in your school bag? 😊

Wrong again, as flip that reasoning around, it's pretty easy to do, but it's something you conviently neglect as it's doesn't fit your narrative.

 

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12 minutes ago, Zulu said:

Putting words into my mouth again NIC? Either that or your English comprehension isn’t as sharp as you would like to think. 

Not really, you were conflating two issues in a slightly contradictory manner.

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1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Wrong again, as flip that reasoning around, it's pretty easy to do, but it's something you conviently neglect as it's doesn't fit your narrative.

 

I’ve flipped it round. Hamas need to be eliminated. (I doubt they will) 

 

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6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

And yet there are those who try to compare Israels defensive and retaliatory actions in Gaza to the holocaust (including you probably).

Absolute fucking nonsense.

I was thinking more Hiroshima than Holocaust

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4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

What folk like Booby, Raine and Zulu forget in this sort of instance is that conflicts are not an equivalence test and to do so is a way of seeking to justify brutality. 

You've misunderstood the point I was making

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Netenyahu claiming the Rafah bombing was a "tragic mishap", which is a little difficult to sell given members of his cabinet so often make genocidal public statements

But it's an indication that the frustration of the US is beginning to bite

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