kent_white Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It was a former UN school building, for what that's worth Ssshhh - I'm arguing! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 14 minutes ago, kent_white said: So your point is that we should be outraged and upset about people launching missiles at Palestinian schools with children in them, but only if we're equally outraged and upset about people launching missiles into schools with children of other nationalities in them too? Have I understood that correctly? If I have, then we're in agreement aren't we? 🤝👍 My point, quite clearly, is this kind of things happens on regular basis with in war zones around the world, we never seem to see the same Outrage on here, or social media for those other poor kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, royal white said: My point, quite clearly, is this kind of things happens on regular basis with in war zones around the world, we never seem to see the same Outrage on here, or social media for those other poor kids. And I'm agreeing with you. I think it's probably because we don't hear about them though. Rather than that we just don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 7 Moderators Share Posted June 7 Just now, royal white said: My point, quite clearly, is this kind of things happens on regular basis with in war zones around the world, we never seem to see the same Outrage on here, or social media for those other poor kids. That said, we don't see the same defence of it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Zico said: That said, we don't see the same defence of it either Also true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 7 Site Supporter Share Posted June 7 18 minutes ago, Zico said: That said, we don't see the same defence of it either We don't see any coverage of some of it; that is the point. Absolutely savage conflict in Sudan- stuff of nightmares- yet it's not covered. Consequently, barely noticed nor commented on. No protests about who kills more kids, not a refusal to recognise a nation's valid right to defend itself against terrorists and proxy groups waging a war of terror against it. Yet when one is, and it involves Israel, a seemingly different set of criteria are applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 7 Site Supporter Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We don't see any coverage of some of it; that is the point. Absolutely savage conflict in Sudan- stuff of nightmares- yet it's not covered. Consequently, barely noticed nor commented on. No protests about who kills more kids, not a refusal to recognise a nation's valid right to defend itself against terrorists and proxy groups waging a war of terror against it. Yet when one is, and it involves Israel, a seemingly different set of criteria are applied. Whose side are you on in the Sudan war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 7 Moderators Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yet when one is, and it involves Israel, a seemingly different set of criteria are applied. Not really If you present to me a scenario similar to Israel v Hamas in any other country in the world I'd have the same attitude I didn't approve of our approach to Iraq and Afghanistan for example So What's the deal in Sudan and which side do you support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 7 Site Supporter Share Posted June 7 19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We don't see any coverage of some of it; that is the point. Absolutely savage conflict in Sudan- stuff of nightmares- yet it's not covered. Consequently, barely noticed nor commented on. No protests about who kills more kids, not a refusal to recognise a nation's valid right to defend itself against terrorists and proxy groups waging a war of terror against it. Yet when one is, and it involves Israel, a seemingly different set of criteria are applied. I think it may be because one side is so obviously a vastly superior military power to the other and has so called 'western values'. To me it seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut. But they aren't going to eradicate Hamas either. If anything they are going to galvanise Hamas support amongst those left who also will get support from the bereaved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Wanderer Posted June 7 Popular Post Share Posted June 7 4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: How many would the Hamas/other terrorists have gone onto kill? If we were at war and we had the opportunity to remove 9 twats who were seeking to kill as many of our own as possible, then (as unfortunate as it is) it's a no brainer to take them out with some innocents lost too. Moreover, having monitored and delayed the action to minimise such losses, then I would support our forces totally. I think we all know the terrorists would do the very opposite and seek to kill as many men, women and children as possible, and would monitor a target to ensure maximum numbers were available. 4 hours ago, bolty58 said: Furthermore, you can put the deaths of all of the innocents in Gaza at the feet of Hamas. No 7th October, no war. 4 hours ago, BobyBrno said: The principle remains the same though. Before anyone asks, the principle being the unfortunate consequence of collateral damage. If Israel were the good side and Hamas the evil side then it would be a piece of piss to agree with all these comments. You'd all have my full backing. But it really isn't that simple. This isn't some sort of good vs evil Lord of the Rings fantasy movie. I despise Hamas and their tactics, but I also find it very hard to say on a personal level that I wouldn't react to decade upon decade of Israeli oppression with violence. I'd like to think I would never succumb to that kind of brutal resistance; but none of us can say for sure what we'd do in the face of displacement, occupation & the murder of innocent family members. Us Brits have never experienced true oppression, we will never fully understand that viewpoint. Which is why I took the time to remember our DDay heroes at work today who sacrificed their lives so we never had to make such decisions. For every Israeli hostage that Hamas have taken - there are hundreds of innocent Palestinians imprisoned with no charge or right to legal support. They're not labelled hostages though. For every innocent Israeli massacred by Hamas, there are thousands of innocent Palestinians butchered and displaced. October 7th was not the beginning of this war. Israel were displacing, imprisoning and murdering innocents long before Hamas reared their ugly head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted June 7 Members Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, Zico said: So in response to one day of 1200 deaths and 250 hostages, is the death of 37,000 over 8 months incidental? No, it's consequential. A consequence of evil cunts hiding behind school children, women, folk in hospital etc. Put the blame where it actually lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 7 Moderators Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, bolty58 said: No, it's consequential. A consequence of evil cunts hiding behind school children, women, folk in hospital etc. Put the blame where it actually lies. Aye, so it's all very deliberate then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted June 8 Members Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, Zico said: Aye, so it's all very deliberate then Very much so. The evil cunts deliberately ensure that they don't step out into the open where the IDF could wipe them out without any collateral damage whatsoever. Well spotted mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) I find it very odd people justifying bombing hospitals because Hamas are there and killing innocent people. Well, not odd, but just rather depressing. Edited June 8 by Not in Crawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 5 hours ago, bolty58 said: Very much so. The evil cunts deliberately ensure that they don't step out into the open where the IDF could wipe them out without any collateral damage whatsoever. Well spotted mate. Whoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Someone mention Sudan? No idea who the poster is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 16 hours ago, bolty58 said: No, it's consequential. A consequence of evil cunts hiding behind school children, women, folk in hospital etc. Put the blame where it actually lies. Looks like the Israelis have just shot their way in and rescued four hostages alive out of Gaza... lot of collateral casualties though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, BobyBrno said: Someone mention Sudan? No idea who the poster is. The situation in Sudan is horrific. As is the civil war in Ethiopia. You're right though. It doesn't get anywhere near the amount of attention it should. It's largely been forgotten behind Ukraine and Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted June 8 Site Supporter Share Posted June 8 44 minutes ago, kent_white said: The situation in Sudan is horrific. As is the civil war in Ethiopia. You're right though. It doesn't get anywhere near the amount of attention it should. It's largely been forgotten behind Ukraine and Israel. Sudan and Ethiopia, as with most African countries, offer absolutely nothing of interest to western economies. If they were sat on a gazillion barrels of oil it might be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 4 minutes ago, Spider said: Sudan and Ethiopia, as with most African countries, offer absolutely nothing of interest to western economies. If they were sat on a gazillion barrels of oil it might be different. quite rightly as well, there would be absolutely no benefit to the UK getting involved in those conflicts. I'd rather we didn't bother with the Ukraine and Israel spats, but I can see why we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 8 Moderators Share Posted June 8 9 hours ago, BobyBrno said: Someone mention Sudan? No idea who the poster is. Who's side are you on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, Sweep said: quite rightly as well, there would be absolutely no benefit to the UK getting involved in those conflicts. I'd rather we didn't bother with the Ukraine and Israel spats, but I can see why we do Aside from the fact there will be a lot of displaced people. Immigration doesn't stop at our boarders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 8 Moderators Share Posted June 8 Going back to the 5 hours ago, kent_white said: The situation in Sudan is horrific. As is the civil war in Ethiopia. You're right though. It doesn't get anywhere near the amount of attention it should. It's largely been forgotten behind Ukraine and Israel. Just been looking down the comments It's interesting to see the conflicting view points You've got Israel supporters saying "no Jews no news" as though killing is only reported on when Jews are involved And you've got Muslims saying no one cares when it's Muslims killing each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 27 minutes ago, Zico said: Going back to the Just been looking down the comments It's interesting to see the conflicting view points You've got Israel supporters saying "no Jews no news" as though killing is only reported on when Jews are involved And you've got Muslims saying no one cares when it's Muslims killing each other Everybody thinks they're the centre of the universe. It's the human condition. In reality we're all just shit kickers, products of our environment and trying to do the best that we can 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted June 9 Members Share Posted June 9 Potentially a big development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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