Meanwhile in Israel

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

 

I can't decide if they're evil, thick or a bit of both?

Bit of both, 

Turned into a rock and hard place, and nobody can say when they should "give up" on the remaining hostages. 

 

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Bit of both, 

Turned into a rock and hard place, and nobody can say when they should "give up" on the remaining hostages. 

 

Whats the hostages got to do with it?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

70+ dead is it this time......? 22 in the Manchester Arena bombing for some context on the carnage. And god knows how many injured? 

If I lived in Gaza and hadn't already been radicalised - I reckon I would be now. 

What have they got left to live for? The poor bastards. 

There's not even any realistic victory conditions that I can see. Other than 'the complete elimination of Hamas'. Whatever the hell that is supposed to mean? Because sure as shit for each one of those 70 people they just killed - they've created 2 more Hamas supporters. 

And this is at a time when we're desperately trying to stop Israel and Iran going to war. 

I can't decide if they're evil, thick or a bit of both?

Equally, if they do nothing, the terrorism against them also continues.

You could use the same argument of evil, thick or both against Iran, its proxies, and all antisemites.

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Equally, if they do nothing, the terrorism against them also continues.

You could use the same argument of evil, thick or both against Iran, its proxies, and all antisemites.

I agree with the second bit. Iran aren't (currently) bombing schools and hospitals every other day though. 

I don't agree with the first bit. I think if both parties had seriously considered a 2 state solution we might have had one by now. It used to be favoured by the majority of Palestinians - although I doubt it is now! 

Anyway - fancy coming round for a brew soon? I feel like I've not seen you for ages! 😁

[bolty58]

17 hours ago, kent_white said:

I can't decide if they're evil, thick or a bit of both?

Neither. It's a case of survival under the most intense pressure/hatred from everything which surrounds you.

Siege mentality.

None of you criticise the actual fucking cowards who put those they purport to represent in the firing line. Utter murderous shitbags. Annihilate.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 hours ago, kent_white said:

I agree with the second bit. Iran aren't (currently) bombing schools and hospitals every other day though. 

I don't agree with the first bit. I think if both parties had seriously considered a 2 state solution we might have had one by now. It used to be favoured by the majority of Palestinians - although I doubt it is now! 

Anyway - fancy coming round for a brew soon? I feel like I've not seen you for ages! 😁

If both parties!

Iran won't, and they're effectively attacking Israel via their proxies- we know that

Saudi and one or two others were slowly coming on board, as to the acceptance of an Israeli state. 

Until their is agreement from all of the Arab world, then Israel won't, and can't, fully support it. 

 

[frank_spencer]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Neither. It's a case of survival under the most intense pressure/hatred from everything which surrounds you.

Siege mentality.

None of you criticise the actual fucking cowards who put those they purport to represent in the firing line. Utter murderous shitbags. Annihilate.

Hamas are 'bad guys' that is well known and accepted by anyone with a brain.

Israel want to be seen as the 'good guys' but their actions don't back that up

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Hamas are 'bad guys' that is well known and accepted by anyone with a brain.

Israel want to be seen as the 'good guys' but their actions don't back that up

First line - not strong enough. They hide in hospitals and schools behind human shields. 'Bad guys' just does not cut it.

Second line - I don't believe Israel wants to be seen as anything other than fighting for the right to exist. As they have shown over and over again, whatever it takes. Unpalatable to some but then they are not the ones constantly in the firing line are they?

[deeane Koontz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985y78d0g1o

[Casino]

Ah well

[Traf]

4 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985y78d0g1o

Collateral damage, Israel must be allowed to defend itself, apparently.

[wakey]

9 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c985y78d0g1o

horrific story that

[bolty58]

Absolutely terrible. Thank Hamas for lighting the fuse. None of this happens without October 7th.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Absolutely terrible. Thank Hamas for lighting the fuse. None of this happens without October 7th.

Indeed, plus the hundreds of years of conflict prior.

Fucked up place.

Even more fucked up when those who denounce Jews also hate each other.

[bwfcfan5]

36 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Absolutely terrible. Thank Hamas for lighting the fuse. None of this happens without October 7th.

Israel were killing Palestinian children before October 7th. 
 

[London Wanderer]

On 11/08/2024 at 06:58, bolty58 said:

 

None of you criticise the actual fucking cowards who put those they purport to represent in the firing line.

Yes we all love Hamas on here

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Israel were killing Palestinian children before October 7th. 
 

And in areas not run by Hamas

What use are facts though. Siege mentality innit

[Traf]

It's targeted genocide, nothing more, nothing less.

Israelis should be up at a War Crimes Tribunal.

[DazBob]

The usual suspects just can't bring themselves to condemn it without a caveat. 

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, DazBob said:

The usual suspects just can't bring themselves to favour the ones under constant threat without a caveat. 

 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Traf said:

It's targeted genocide, nothing more, nothing less.

Israelis should be up at a War Crimes Tribunal.

Even simpler - wipe them off the face of the Earth? I suspect a number of the 'usual suspects' would favour this.

Back and forward across the net forever. We all know where and when this ends. When Israel says it does.

I see a bloke has been jailed for 18 months in Starmers blitzkrieg for shouting 'Who the fuck is Allah?'. Muslims told by police to hide their weapons in the mosque rather than being arrested. Stark and bleak contrast.

How did our once great country become so fucked up? Common sense and fairness replaced by 'err on the side of anything pro Islam'. Complete capitulation. Judging by some of the leftie views on here, you can see why they are so emboldened.

I can completely understand the eruption of anger and frustration which will inevitably come.

 

[London Wanderer]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

I can completely understand the eruption of anger and frustration which will inevitably come.

 

Now we know who supports the recent violence 👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, DazBob said:

The usual suspects just can't bring themselves to condemn it without a caveat. 

Not much condemnation of all the killings in all the conflicts from anyone.

Unless it is Israel.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, Traf said:

It's targeted genocide, nothing more, nothing less.

Israelis should be up at a War Crimes Tribunal.

As long as Hamas are also in the dock for their crimes I’ve not a problem with that.  Let the judges decide. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

As long as Hamas are also in the dock for their crimes I’ve not a problem with that.  Let the judges decide. 

If it's genocide, then they're terrible at it.

This has got ridiculous now- like a "condemnation off". I'm better than you because I post more criticisms.

If folk looked at all the atrocities over the years, just between Israel and Islam, and posted condemnations each time, then they'd have no fingers left.

What a load of absolute tripe.