Bertie Posted April 28 Posted April 28 10 hours ago, Bertie said: 5 minutes in and the program already confirms there really is no hope for peace. Theroux is great at this btw. Definitely worth a watch. Great TV. Obviously it’s a program focused on Israeli settlers in the West Bank (and those who aspire to do so in Gaza), and doesn’t delve into Hamas and their ideology, but deary me Theroux didn’t half come across some blinkered Zionist extremists who seemed to put zero value on the lives of Palestinians or their right to exist in the “land of Judea and Samaria”. An eye opener to learn more about how settlements have been illegally established in violation of the Geneva convention, and how this process is accelerating after 7/10. Theroux also spent some time with normal Palestinian folk - quite staggering the controls the IDF put on their lives and everyday movements, largely to “protect” the Israeli settlements and in effect force Palestinians out of their neighbouring homes. We wouldn’t view that as living. Scary stuff. I defy anyone on here to watch this program and not concede there are good and bad people on both sides. God knows what the answer is apart from them all becoming atheists and simply coexisting. Depressing stuff. Quote
DazBob Posted April 28 Posted April 28 I'd genuinely like to hear what certain members of this board think after watching that. Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DazBob said: I'd genuinely like to hear what certain members of this board think after watching that. It won’t make a difference, some folk are just too entrenched in their views sadly. Be interesting to see what they think if they watch it. Some will just refuse to on the grounds it’s ‘ BBC propaganda ‘ Folk don’t tend to call it torture, or hostage taking or ethnic cleansing if it’s Israel doing it. But there is evidence of all three happening. The most worrying element is how these people (who used to be fringe movements) are now defended by their government & have people in the cabinet. Biden had sanctions on these groups, Trump removed them immediately. These extremists are just as responsible for the latest escalation as Hamas are. Been going on long before Oct 7th as well. No desire to let Palestinians exist. Fair play to Theroux Edited April 28 by London Wanderer Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 28 Posted April 28 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002bm1y/louis-theroux-the-settlers Quote
kent_white Posted April 28 Posted April 28 2 hours ago, DazBob said: I'd genuinely like to hear what certain members of this board think after watching that. Did you notice any Hamas hiding behind the Palestinians they interviewed. Sneaky buggers! Quote
Zico Posted April 28 Posted April 28 2 hours ago, DazBob said: I'd genuinely like to hear what certain members of this board think after watching that. They won't watch it because BBC Quote
DazBob Posted April 28 Posted April 28 28 minutes ago, Zico said: They won't watch it because BBC ... and Theroux is a massive anti-Semite. Quote
Zico Posted April 28 Posted April 28 27 minutes ago, DazBob said: ... and Theroux is a massive anti-Semite. Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 28 Posted April 28 7 hours ago, DazBob said: ... and Theroux is a massive anti-Semite. & should have done a Hamas documentary …. Quote
Bertie Posted April 29 Posted April 29 20 hours ago, DazBob said: I'd genuinely like to hear what certain members of this board think after watching that. I hope you weren’t holding your breath… Quote
kent_white Posted April 29 Posted April 29 6 hours ago, DazBob said: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? "I did not achieve this position in life by having some snot nose punk leave my cheese out in the wind" Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) 7 hours ago, DazBob said: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? 😆 They won't Some folk on here have been vocal on that Israel doesn't target Palestinians deliberately. That they've got to defend themselves and wipe out Hamas. That these things happen in war. Documentaries like this show that there are many times when the opposite is true. That whilst they do have to defend themselves, they often deliberately target innocents from the top down. People will just choose not to watch it. You can't really watch it then try to defend Israel's tactics, just end up looking daft. Edited April 29 by London Wanderer Quote
kent_white Posted April 29 Posted April 29 29 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: 😆 They won't Some folk on here have been vocal on that Israel doesn't target Palestinians deliberately. That they've got to defend themselves and wipe out Hamas. That these things happen in war. Documentaries like this show that there are many times when the opposite is true. That whilst they do have to defend themselves, they often deliberately target innocents from the top down. People will just choose not to watch it. You can't really watch it then try to defend Israel's tactics, just end up looking daft. I'll try and have a watch tonight and give you my honest opinion! Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 29 Posted April 29 2 hours ago, kent_white said: I'll try and have a watch tonight and give you my honest opinion! If you could DM me an essay response I'll get it marked by Friday x Quote
DazBob Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Oddly quiet on this thread. It's almost as if those who thought Israel have done nothing wrong realise what dicks they've made of themselves. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Have you all only just realised this has been happening? We've discussed Israeli settlers on here before and seen reports. I know I personally brought up one such story (may have been BBC, but doesn't really matter) Been roundly condemned. Could go back a few years and find it all if you want, or is it just easier to try and make some misguided point? Not one person has said Israel is without fault. There have been efforts by American presidents, the UN etc to resolve it, but you would suspect to little effect. Everyone is aware that the whole area has been fighting each other for centuries. They're as bad as each other. It won't stop any time soon neither. War is war, and fighting is horrible. Continued attempts quantify deaths and bad treatment to justify a belief is truly odd and desperate. Quote
Cheese Posted May 1 Posted May 1 15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not one person has said Israel is without fault. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 hour ago, DazBob said: Oddly quiet on this thread. It's almost as if those who thought Israel have done nothing wrong realise what dicks they've made of themselves. Politics is easy if you never read an opposing view. Or treat it like supporting a football team. Quote
royal white Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 hour ago, DazBob said: Oddly quiet on this thread. It's almost as if those who thought Israel have done nothing wrong realise what dicks they've made of themselves. Is this your opinion based off a BBC documentary? Quote
DazBob Posted May 1 Posted May 1 32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not one person has said Israel is without fault. They're as bad as each other. The vast majority of sane people agree on this. ... But there are some on here who would argue against this. Quote
DazBob Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Is this your opinion based off a BBC documentary? Nope. ... But Theroux's documentary summarises it very well. What were your thoughts on it? Quote
royal white Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, DazBob said: Nope. ... But Theroux's documentary summarises it very well. What were your thoughts on it? Oh right. Why wouldn’t it be oddly quiet? Has a lot happened lately? No thoughts. Quote
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