Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, bolty58 said: An understatement. A left wing organisation towing the party line. Plain and simple. Jeremy will be proud of them. To be honest mate, I've heard bigger lefties than them call Hamas what they are. BBC are simply out on a limb and out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Yeah. Seen that, many times . He’s wrong and they are wrong. Don’t you agree? I think it’s interesting when you hear their reasoning. I don’t think they’re doing it to condone Hamas, nor do I think it does by not calling them out for who they are. Their reporting has been fairly accurate and they’ve shown everyone the kind of animals Hamas are. It’s not like they are only applying this to Hamas. The BBC were targeted by Pro - Palestinian protesters and they’re attacked by the pro-Israel camp for this. I think that says a lot. Ultimately though, I do disagree, they should label them for who they are. Especially now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 They use the word militants. For a group that has been legally prescribed as terrorist. Don't have much time for some of these union bosses, but wouldn't describe them as terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Spider said: Hamas is a cancer. Treating cancer often means destroying cancerous cells but also means destroying healthy ones in the process. Sad but true. The Palestinian people have the option to distance themselves from Hamas both physically and idealogically , but they don't. Therefore they are knowingly putting themselves and their families in the line of fire. Fact is that support for Hamas is strong. That support carries risk. They have the option to get out of the way, or better still, stop supporting an organisation that is willing to use them as human shields. That clearly isn’t the case. As we saw yesterday. 3000 dead now. How many more before the “cancer” is cured? 5000, 10,000. Is there a cut off number or are you happy for that number to go up and up until Hamas are gone? It’s their fault anyway because they didn’t leave, so fuck them. You’d think a five year old would have more sense than to stay put. We invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Did that make the Taliban disappear? This won’t create peace, or reduce support for Hamas. Nor will it make them go away. I hope I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: That clearly isn’t the case. As we saw yesterday. 3000 dead now. How many more before the “cancer” is cured? 5000, 10,000. Is there a cut off number or are you happy for that number to go up and up until Hamas are gone? It’s their fault anyway because they didn’t leave, so fuck them. You’d think a five year old would have more sense than to stay put. We invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Did that make the Taliban disappear? This won’t create peace, or reduce support for Hamas. Nor will it make them go away. I hope I’m wrong. My honest opinion is that we leave the silly fuckers to it. Bit as we’re debating this on the off chance it may affect us directly, I’m very much not in favour of bending to a lame agenda. These people clearly cannot be reasoned with. God said so, or some such shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Spider said: Hamas is a cancer. Treating cancer often means destroying cancerous cells but also means destroying healthy ones in the process. Sad but true. The Palestinian people have the option to distance themselves from Hamas both physically and idealogically , but they don't. Therefore they are knowingly putting themselves and their families in the line of fire. Fact is that support for Hamas is strong. That support carries risk. They have the option to get out of the way, or better still, stop supporting an organisation that is willing to use them as human shields. They are currently creating more support for hamas than they are destroying. It is not a good plan for a country to behave like terrorists whatever the provocation. See Russia as a case in point. Any action has to be targeted and proportionate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432.amp That explains why the BBC refuse to call Hamas as a terrorist organisation but not why they won't refer (in the first person) to the attack itself as a terrorist attack Previous terrorist attacks have been referred to as such, and so was last night's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 As for the BBC, the Balen Report. One of the things about being an elder (Mature Adult) is that we remember things that younger folk don’t. It’s still not been released. It puts a completely different complexion on things. https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/the-secret-report-at-heart-of-bbc-s-gaza-paranoia-6870301.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: As for the BBC, the Balen Report. One of the things about being an elder (Mature Adult) is that we remember things that younger folk don’t. It’s still not been released. It puts a completely different complexion on things. https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/the-secret-report-at-heart-of-bbc-s-gaza-paranoia-6870301.html You need to move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 The latest attack is BBC s fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, royal white said: The latest attack is BBC s fault Is it bollocks, whoever posted that is talking shite. However, reports coming out are very worrying as to the scale of casualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, BobyBrno said: Seen it quoted many times that Israel have the right to reply with ‘proportionate’ force. I haven’t seen anyone, anywhere say what proportionate means. I’ve also seen reports that they have been indiscriminate in their bombing. Who can tell what is indiscriminate and what is targeted. No one, certainly no one on. Wanderersways. What do you make of this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233H Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza, according to Palestinian officials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Zico said: What do you make of this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233H Hundreds of people have been killed in an Israeli strike on a hospital in Gaza, according to Palestinian officials Not sure why you’ve asked me. Is there a reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: What are the UN etc, doing to stop Hamas etc? What us Israel supposed to do? Stop killing innocents? 95 per cent of those killed this year had been palestinians As for the UN, theyre too busy being ignored by Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Not sure why you’ve asked me. Is there a reason? It was in response to your post Do you think that is proportionate or indiscriminate to what has happened so far In your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The huge irony laid bare. Terrorists aren't held to the same standards: war crimes etc, but those they seek to wipe from existence are expected to. The very thing that terror groups try to use for their own means. Folk complain when Gaza gets bombed. Folk complain when supplies are restricted. Folk complain when Israel tells people to move away, so they can tackle to terrorists. Everything breaks some rule or other. What are the UN etc, doing to stop Hamas etc? What us Israel supposed to do? The UN can do fuck all. Its a toothless organisation. Even more so in the middle east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Be all and end all is shit happens in war. Innocent folk will, unfortunately, always be a victim. There’s really no way around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Zico said: It was in response to your post Do you think that is proportionate or indiscriminate to what has happened so far In your opinion Other people talked about proportionate responses. I just asked what that was. You could have asked others but never mind. If it’s as reported, I would say it’s a war crime that Israel will never recover from and will turn the world against them. What do you think? You seem more concerned about my views than giving your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: And people wonder why they do things their own way. Despite not following the ways of their attackers, its still their fault. Still if our national broadcaster can't bring itself to describe Hamas as others do, then no wonder. Isn't that down to Ofcom rules and Sky etc hadn't done either But the BBC is an easy target for criticism from Shapps who really knew the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 300 plus sheltering in the school. Many more still under the rubble. ‘Ah well, shit happens in war. Got to cure the cancer by killing healthy cells first’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: Isn't that down to Ofcom rules and Sky etc hadn't done either But the BBC is an easy target for criticism from Shapps who really knew the answer Ofcom rules certainly wouldn't prevent the BBC from referring to the terrorist attack as a terrorist attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Other people talked about proportionate responses. I just asked what that was. You could have asked others but never mind. If it’s as reported, I would say it’s a war crime that Israel will never recover from and will turn the world against them. What do you think? You seem more concerned about my views than giving your own. I'm anti terrorism Hamas are scum and should be dealt with I don't think this approach is a good idea I don't need someone to tell me what is proportionate, it's quite clear this is not I don't think it's indiscriminate, I think Israel are deliberately taking this response to the next level Like they wanted an excuse to flatten Palestine Hamas appear to have given them one Israel should be handling it much better than this with the west behind them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Joe Biden visiting tomorrow. Why would Israel do such a horrendous thing on the eve of a visit from their biggest allie? If they have then they will have lost all credibility around the world. Plenty of other versions out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 17, 2023 Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: To be honest mate, I've heard bigger lefties than them call Hamas what they are. BBC are simply out on a limb and out of touch. Here's Sky News report of all that's gone on today https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-latest-updates-gaza-sky-news-live-blog-12978800 Spot the word terrorist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2023 Normally in a war, there is a huge displacement of innocent people away from the fighting. That is pretty hard in Gaza as it is a very small place and the borders are closed. I don't know the answer by the way, just saying this is a pretty unique situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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