deeane Koontz Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 The fact people were sharing video game simulation footage of a helicopter being shot down and thinking it was real says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: This is exactly what Hamas and every terrorist organisation want to achieve. Drive the fuckers into the sea. Indeed, I said a few pages back. The more Palestinians that are killed, the better as far as Hamas are concerned. Hamas would be absolutely delighted if a small tactical nuke was dropped on Gaza, and it basically melted every single person there. They don't give a fuck about the people, it's about "the cause" - as the leaders of Hamas happily sit in Qatar, getting pissed and snorting cocaine off hookers tits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 18, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, deeane Koontz said: I believe nowt on the internet until it's been officially verified. but as you say, you can even pay to be offiically verified now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 This incident shows just how fucked the world is. Too many people happy to blame Israel and then too many people happy to blame Hamas. Too many people saying lefties support Hamas/Palestine and too many people saying righties (??) support Israel. People seem more concerned that their opinion from a week ago is proved correct and others look daft than thinking about the thousands (with and without foreskins) being killed or fucked over by this war. People can think they are right but let's be honest none of us will really ever know who did what. The say truth is the first victim in war ( or summat like that) and this just highlights it I have idea who fired whatever it was that hit the hospital but rather than being something that make people think 'what the fuck are we doing here?' It is being used as a spring board to increase the hatred and rhetoric. It is fucking tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Zico said: but as you say, you can even pay to be offiically verified now Best treating the officially verified on Twitter as you would a spice head in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: Best treating the officially verified on Twitter as you would a spice head in town. Or just wait until Hamas verify it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, royal white said: Or just wait until Hamas verify it Is that what people were doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Trotter Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ani said: This incident shows just how fucked the world is. Too many people happy to blame Israel and then too many people happy to blame Hamas. Too many people saying lefties support Hamas/Palestine and too many people saying righties (??) support Israel. People seem more concerned that their opinion from a week ago is proved correct and others look daft than thinking about the thousands (with and without foreskins) being killed or fucked over by this war. People can think they are right but let's be honest none of us will really ever know who did what. The say truth is the first victim in war ( or summat like that) and this just highlights it I have idea who fired whatever it was that hit the hospital but rather than being something that make people think 'what the fuck are we doing here?' It is being used as a spring board to increase the hatred and rhetoric. It is fucking tragic. Political discourse, with the assistance of social media, is now completely binary. No middle ground, no rational analysis - seemingly every person's opinion on everything global is all about their entrenched belief being "right". It's exhausting even from my Western ivory tower of safety. Meanwhile in this conflict, there are thousands dying, hundreds of thousands physically destitute, and millions in fear for their lives - no matter what side of the fence they live on, or what scripture they read. But nah, forget the complete breakdown in the human condition caused by a few old men with massive weapons and tiny peckers, it's all about Team X or Team Y being to "blame" while the other is absolved of guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: Is that what people were doing? Yep, as soon as that hospital was hit last night and Hamas said it was Israel people were all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1.2 million children living in the Gaza Strip. That’s seriously depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 31 minutes ago, TM Trotter said: Political discourse, with the assistance of social media, is now completely binary. No middle ground, no rational analysis - seemingly every person's opinion on everything global is all about their entrenched belief being "right". It's exhausting even from my Western ivory tower of safety. Meanwhile in this conflict, there are thousands dying, hundreds of thousands physically destitute, and millions in fear for their lives - no matter what side of the fence they live on, or what scripture they read. But nah, forget the complete breakdown in the human condition caused by a few old men with massive weapons and tiny peckers, it's all about Team X or Team Y being to "blame" while the other is absolved of guilt. Which is why this thread is pointless. Its one thing wittering on about domestic political policy positions. This has become calcified into postions of futility without the much need context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Are Israel in blue and Hamas in red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 I find it surprising now most reasonable people have accepted the initial narrative of cause was wrong, that questioning the magnitude hasn't caught up either. The photos shared are of a burnt out car park with more or less un-disturbed buildings surrounded. Hard to see how 500 people die from that and I certainly hope that figure was as made up as the initial blame attribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 18, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2023 51 minutes ago, Nowack said: Are Israel in blue and Hamas in red? White vs Red Spurs v Arsenal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 18, 2023 Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 40 minutes ago, maaarsh said: I find it surprising now most reasonable people have accepted the initial narrative of cause was wrong, that questioning the magnitude hasn't caught up either. The photos shared are of a burnt out car park with more or less un-disturbed buildings surrounded. Hard to see how 500 people die from that and I certainly hope that figure was as made up as the initial blame attribution. So why bomb a car park? Did they aim or miss? Or did they make it harder for people to leave by taking out their car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: So why bomb a car park? Did they aim or miss? Or did they make it harder for people to leave by taking out their car? A misfiring Hamas rocket happened to fall there apparently - the unused fuel caused a very large fireball which was immediately picked up on, but as can be seen from the photos there's plenty of fire damage and very little rocket damage (no crater, buildings largely untouched). As plenty of other places in Gaza can attest, Israeli rockets cause an awful lot more damage. Never ones to waste a cock up, Hamas immediately announced it was an Israeli rocket which had killed 500 people, and the BBC immediately published this as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 18, 2023 Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, maaarsh said: A misfiring Hamas rocket happened to fall there apparently - the unused fuel caused a very large fireball which was immediately picked up on, but as can be seen from the photos there's plenty of fire damage and very little rocket damage (no crater, buildings largely untouched). As plenty of other places in Gaza can attest, Israeli rockets cause an awful lot more damage. Never ones to waste a cock up, Hamas immediately announced it was an Israeli rocket which had killed 500 people, and the BBC immediately published this as fact. Did other media outlets also publish it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 18, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, maaarsh said: A misfiring Hamas rocket happened to fall there apparently - the unused fuel caused a very large fireball which was immediately picked up on, but as can be seen from the photos there's plenty of fire damage and very little rocket damage (no crater, buildings largely untouched). As plenty of other places in Gaza can attest, Israeli rockets cause an awful lot more damage. Never ones to waste a cock up, Hamas immediately announced it was an Israeli rocket which had killed 500 people, and the BBC immediately published this as fact. To be fair, they said it was an Israeli airstrike according to Palestinian officials. However, I think they (along with Sky who reported it similarly) should have said there was an explosion and it was too early to ascertain the cause and number of casualties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, DirtySanchez said: Did other media outlets also publish it? Yes. Many others don't have the same reputation as the BBC, or even follow the BBC in these matters. Pretty straightforwardly concerning the state broadcaster published terrorist claims as facts last night, and published the Israeli evidence based rebuttal today as 'unverified'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 18, 2023 Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, maaarsh said: Yes. Many others don't have the same reputation as the BBC, or even follow the BBC in these matters. Pretty straightforwardly concerning the state broadcaster published terrorist claims as facts last night, and published the Israeli evidence based rebuttal today as 'unverified'. People use various media sources to get their news these days. Be it BBC, Sky or whoever You signalled out the BBC for direct criticism Reputation or otherwise, for balance can you say which other news organisations followed the same storey? And criticise them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: People use various media sources to get their news these days. Be it BBC, Sky or whoever You signalled out the BBC for direct criticism Reputation or otherwise, for balance can you say which other news organisations followed the same storey? And criticise them Yep that's definitely what the discussion is about, thanks for keeping up on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 18, 2023 Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, maaarsh said: Yep that's definitely what the discussion is about, thanks for keeping up on topic. I missed the news last night, so what did they say? What are they saying that others aren't? What facts have they said that you don't agree with? Was it presented as facts or just how you interpreted it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Almost immediately after the explosion at the hospital, the BBC had a reporter on saying that the type of explosion suggested this was almost certainly an Israeli missile attack. They didn’t say it definitely was Israel but certainly gave that impression. At the same time Sky were saying that it was too early to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If you didn't hate Hamas enough already - they've managed to bring Maaarsh out of hiding. Ye Gads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted October 18, 2023 Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, wiggy said: Almost immediately after the explosion at the hospital, the BBC had a reporter on saying that the type of explosion suggested this was almost certainly an Israeli missile attack. They didn’t say it definitely was Israel but certainly gave that impression. At the same time Sky were saying that it was too early to say. What news are you watching that seconds from a bomb attack provides you with news? Given it was immediately after Edited October 18, 2023 by DirtySanchez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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