Meanwhile in Israel

[London Wanderer]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is Hamas fault, if Hamas would live in peace with Israel and Jews then Israel would never throw bombs at Palestinians…. It’s that simple… bit like you.

Ah okayyy then. 
 

So there were no attacks before Hamas were formed ? Israeli’s aren’t forcing innocent Palestinians from their land daily in areas that are not run by Hamas? 
 

If you’re going to call people simple mate then you really need a basic understanding of what’s happened and is happening.

Hamas have blood on their hands, but not everything starts and ends with them. If it was that simple then peace would be easy 👍

 

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by London Wanderer

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ah okayyy then. 
 

So there were no attacks before Hamas were formed ? Israeli’s aren’t forcing innocent Palestinians from their land daily in areas that are not run by Hamas? 
 

If you’re going to call people simple mate then you really need a basic understanding of what’s happened and is happening.

Hamas have blood on their hands, but not everything starts and ends with them. If it was that simple then peace would be easy 👍

 

 

I understand it completely I’m not sure why someone supposedly a teacher can’t grasp the simple facts.

Hamas don’t ever want peace, they are set up to eradicate Jews and Israel, if they stopped attacking Israel then not one Palestinian or Jewish child would be murdered.

 Removal of Hamas and all other terrorist  groups (or at least a halt in attacks on Israel) then negotiate diplomatically about the unjust issues caused by Israel and then Palestine would have the backing of virtually the whole world and the pressure shifts on the Israelis to give the Palestinians a fairer deal.

Remember Hamas don’t want those negotiations to happen, remember Israel chatting about peace with Saudis was a major factor in the Hamas attack. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I understand it completely I’m not sure why someone supposedly a teacher can’t grasp the simple facts.

Hamas don’t ever want peace, they are set up to eradicate Jews and Israel, if they stopped attacking Israel then not one Palestinian or Jewish child would be murdered.

 Removal of Hamas and all other terrorist  groups (or at least a halt in attacks on Israel) then negotiate diplomatically about the unjust issues caused by Israel and then Palestine would have the backing of virtually the whole world and the pressure shifts on the Israelis to give the Palestinians a fairer deal.

Remember Hamas don’t want those negotiations to happen, remember Israel chatting about peace with Saudis was a major factor in the Hamas attack. 

If Hamas downed weapons there would be peace.

 

if Israel downed weapons there would be no Israel 

[Zico]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

If Hamas downed weapons there would be peace.

 

if Israel downed weapons there would be no Israel 

There is also a scenario being played out where there is no Palestine, that's been happening since the 1940s

Would also hazard a guess that Hamas were born out of that scenario and that there wasn't peace before they came along

I don't think all this started with them

 

[Not in Crawley]

42 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ah okayyy then. 
 

So there were no attacks before Hamas were formed ? Israeli’s aren’t forcing innocent Palestinians from their land daily in areas that are not run by Hamas? 
 

If you’re going to call people simple mate then you really need a basic understanding of what’s happened and is happening.

Hamas have blood on their hands, but not everything starts and ends with them. If it was that simple then peace would be easy 👍

 

 

He can't actually seriously think the situation is that simple?

Mind you, given his past record on his reading of how EU funding works, sadly its probably true.

Must be nice to live unencumbered by actual facts and realities.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We absolutely did not

This international law bit is bizarre.

Despite the bbc interview, posted several pages ago with the lawyer, it's seems to be completely ignored.

Also ignored by senior political figures.

Messrs Khan and Burnham for example- did they watch it, or take legal advice from several lawyers? I doubt it very much.

The former with a statement that it is illegal, when the lady whose job it is to know, says otherwise. 

She could be wrong of course, but then so could those continuing the line.

Beyond that, what a perverse situation we have, where war is described as legal or illegal. In such events, normal expected levels of humanity can disappear.

I spoke to a former serviceman recently who gave details of his time observing in Sudan, in an observational role. The concept of rules simply do not exist for the most part.

[royal white]

25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This international law bit is bizarre.

Despite the bbc interview, posted several pages ago with the lawyer, it's seems to be completely ignored.

Also ignored by senior political figures.

Messrs Khan and Burnham for example- did they watch it, or take legal advice from several lawyers? I doubt it very much.

The former with a statement that it is illegal, when the lady whose job it is to know, says otherwise. 

She could be wrong of course, but then so could those continuing the line.

Beyond that, what a perverse situation we have, where war is described as legal or illegal. In such events, normal expected levels of humanity can disappear.

I spoke to a former serviceman recently who gave details of his time observing in Sudan, in an observational role. The concept of rules simply do not exist for the most part.

This. If people think Israel or any other country should copy what we did then they obviously have no idea what we did/have been doing .

Edited October 28, 2023 by royal white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

This. If people think Israel or any other country should copy what we did then they obviously have no idea what we did/have been doing .

I do think it's important to try to maintain a morally higher position, and Israel is doing that with its approach, but civilians will die in war. 

Our lads do likewise, in Afghanistan and Iraq for example, and occasionally break those rules. Then get prosecuted accordingly.

We'll see what happens once the ground insurgency is fully underway.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I understand it completely I’m not sure why someone supposedly a teacher can’t grasp the simple facts.

Hamas don’t ever want peace, they are set up to eradicate Jews and Israel, if they stopped attacking Israel then not one Palestinian or Jewish child would be murdered.

How you could possibly claim to know that I’ll never know. It can be disproven anyway by the fact people are murdered in areas where Hamas are not active. And many more have been butchered long before Hamas appeared on the scene.

I mostly teach 8 year olds basic numeracy and literacy. Not the the ins and outs of the Israel/Palestine conflict😂

 Keep the insults coming though 👏 They are really helping your discussion skills. 

34 minutes ago, Zico said:

There is also a scenario being played out where there is no Palestine, that's been happening since the 1940s

Would also hazard a guess that Hamas were born out of that scenario and that there wasn't peace before they came along

I don't think all this started with them

 

Aye 

of course it didn’t, we know it didn’t. Israel have for decades been denying innocent Palestinians the right to exist in their homeland. Doing exactly what Hamas have called for, but the other way round. 
 

It works both ways this conflict. 

[Mounts Kipper]

12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

How you could possibly claim to know that I’ll never know. It can be disproven anyway by the fact people are murdered in areas where Hamas are not active. And many more have been butchered long before Hamas appeared on the scene.

I mostly teach 8 year olds basic numeracy and literacy. Not the the ins and outs of the Israel/Palestine conflict😂

 Keep the insults coming though 👏 They are really helping your discussion skills. 

Aye 

of course it didn’t, we know it didn’t. Israel have for decades been denying innocent Palestinians the right to exist in their homeland. Doing exactly what Hamas have called for, but the other way round. 
 

It works both ways this conflict. 

If you think Israel would continue killing Palestinian babies then it’s better you stick to the 8 year olds. 

[deeane Koontz]

What are the death scores of innocent civilians slaughtered so far?

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

What are the death scores of innocent civilians slaughtered so far?

https://countingthekids.org

any Palestinians you see are all the fault of Hamas though 👍 And Israel didn’t do it on purpose.

Edited October 28, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

https://countingthekids.org

any Palestinians you see are the fault of Hamas though 👍 And Israel didn’t do it on purpose.

And the hospital was caused by an Israeli air strike 🤥

[deeane Koontz]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

https://countingthekids.org

any Palestinians you see are the fault of Hamas though 👍 And Israel didn’t do it on purpose.

 

Yes of course.

Just "collateral damage" 🤮

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

And the hospital was caused by an Israeli air strike 🤥

poor from the media eh. 
 

Such is war 😉

Edited October 28, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Such is war 😉

Have you anything to prove that Palestinian kids were deliberate targeted by Israel? 

[London Wanderer]

21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If you think Israel would continue killing Palestinian babies then it’s better you stick to the 8 year olds. 

Can you please explain, in simple English, why innocent Palestinian children have been killed long before Hamas came along? Who did this? 
And why has Israel allowed its own citizens to destroy Palestinian homes & land in areas that are not run by Hamas? 

Let’s see if you can manage one more post without an insult 😁

I don’t think you’ll ever see beyond Hamas in this conflict though. So maybe our discussion is pointless. 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Have you anything to prove that Palestinian kids were deliberate targeted by Israel? 

If you were after someone who killed your family and they were hiding behind another two innocent families - would you kill them to get to the murderer? 
 

Would the murder of those innocents be classed as on purpose in a court of law?  
 

Israel knows innocents will be killed during the strikes and they know the withholding of aid will kill children in hospital wards. 
The debate is whether it is necessary and if it is an act defence - not ‘is it on purpose’.

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

If you were after someone who killed your family and they were hiding behind another two innocent families - would you kill them to get to the murderer? 
 

Would the murder of those innocents be classed as on purpose in a court of law?  
 

Israel knows innocents will be killed during the strikes and they know the withholding of aid will kill children in hospital wards. 
The debate is whether it is necessary and if it is an act defence - not ‘is it on purpose’.

 

 

None of the above happen if terrorist organisations don’t attack Israel. 

[royal white]

28 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

If you were after someone who killed your family and they were hiding behind another two innocent families - would you kill them to get to the murderer? 
 

Would the murder of those innocents be classed as on purpose in a court of law?  
 

Israel knows innocents will be killed during the strikes and they know the withholding of aid will kill children in hospital wards. 
The debate is whether it is necessary and if it is an act defence - not ‘is it on purpose’.

 

 

You’ve been making out Israel are are purposely killing kids. I don’t think they are, and I’ve seen nothing to prove that. Your last answer seems that you also have nothing to prove that. 

[royal white]

28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

None of the above happen if terrorist organisations don’t attack Israel. 

You’ve got to realise LW has been over there so he knows exactly what is happening 🙄

Edited October 28, 2023 by royal white

[Not in Crawley]

42 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Can you please explain, in simple English, why innocent Palestinian children have been killed long before Hamas came along? Who did this? 
And why has Israel allowed its own citizens to destroy Palestinian homes & land in areas that are not run by Hamas? 

Let’s see if you can manage one more post without an insult 😁

I don’t think you’ll ever see beyond Hamas in this conflict though. So maybe our discussion is pointless. 

I'm not sure why you bother, even in the most simplistic terms he either ignores it or it flies directly over his head.

He refuses to learn even the simplest facts or history if it doesn't fit in with whatever he's picked up and run with.

It's an exercise in futility.

[royal white]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not sure why you bother, even in the most simplistic terms he either ignores it or it flies directly over his head.

He refuses to learn even the simplest facts or history if it doesn't fit in with whatever he's picked up and run with.

It's an exercise in futility.

😂😂😂😂😂

[London Wanderer]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

😂😂😂😂😂

You okay love

 You seem to get very overly excited by this forum

[London Wanderer]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve been making out Israel are are purposely killing kids. I don’t think they are, and I’ve seen nothing to prove that. Your last answer seems that you also have nothing to prove that. 

Sorry, I’ll simplify the question even more for you.

When Israel fires the rockets, or takes land, or withholds aid. Do you think it knows if children will be affected or not? 
 

Me going over there doesn’t put me in much of a better position to be honest. I just know both sides are rife with extremism. For you & Mounts, it seems to all be because of Hamas. Please tell me if I’m wrong 👍