Meanwhile in Israel

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You okay love

 You seem to get very overly excited by this forum

😂😂 yes just fine. I’m not sure why you bother 

[London Wanderer]

Just now, royal white said:

😂😂 yes just fine. I’m not sure why you bother 

I’m not sure how you find all this so hysterically funny 😉

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Sorry, I’ll simplify the question even more for you.

When Israel fires the rockets, or takes land, or withholds aid. Do you think it knows if children will be affected or not? 
 

Me going over there doesn’t put me in much of a better position to be honest. I just know both sides are rife with extremism. For you & Mounts, it seems to all be because of Hamas. Please tell me if I’m wrong 👍

Which happens in every war there has ever been and will be. This is no different but for some reason you are being very vocal about this one. 
 

I’ll repeat @gonzo question. Do you think Israel should just sit back and be attacked? 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’m not sure how you find all this so hysterically funny 😉

It has a lot to do with yours and others comments. 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which happens in every war there has ever been and will be. This is no different but for some reason you are being very vocal about this one. 
 

I’ll repeat @gonzo question. Do you think Israel should just sit back and be attacked? 

I’m being no more vocal on this topic than you are 😂

And Gonzo’s question is exactly what the discussion should be about, thank you 👍 No Israel should not sit back. My argument is that it is going overboard and risking further escalation and troubles for its citizens. You might disagree and that’s fair enough, but we all know Israel knows innocents will be caught up. If you can’t answer the original question then I’ll assume you agree👍

Enjoy your Saturday laughing hysterically at a football forum 😉

[royal white]

23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’m being no more vocal on this topic than you are 😂

And Gonzo’s question is exactly what the discussion should be about, thank you 👍 No Israel should not sit back. My argument is that it is going overboard and risking further escalation and troubles for its citizens. You might disagree and that’s fair enough, but we all know Israel knows innocents will be caught up. If you can’t answer the original question then I’ll assume you agree👍

Enjoy your Saturday laughing hysterically at a football forum 😉

So Israel shouldn’t just sit back. Ok then  Field Marshall London what plan would you knock up for Israeli troops. This should be interesting. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by royal white

[globaldiver]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

I’m being no more vocal on this topic than you are 😂

And Gonzo’s question is exactly what the discussion should be about, thank you 👍 No Israel should not sit back. My argument is that it is going overboard and risking further escalation and troubles for its citizens. You might disagree and that’s fair enough, but we all know Israel knows innocents will be caught up. If you can’t answer the original question then I’ll assume you agree👍

Enjoy your Saturday laughing hysterically at a football forum 😉

Have they gone overboard?

[globaldiver]

For them as want a ceasefire; I expect you know that there was a ceasefire until Hamas broke it on 7 October?

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

Have they gone overboard?

Many times

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

So Israel shouldn’t just sit back. Ok then  Field Marshall London what plan would you knock up for Israeli troops. This should be interesting. 

There’s many things they could do differently, but let’s discuss that next week ey? We’ve agreed that they are doing it on purpose, so let’s finish on some common ground for a change 👍

It’s the weekend after all and we’re on the up ⚽️

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There’s many things they could do differently, but let’s discuss that next week ey? We’ve agreed that they are doing it on purpose, so let’s finish on some common ground for a change 👍

It’s the weekend after all and we’re on the up ⚽️

 

They’re not doing it on purpose. We’ve agreed there’s collateral damage like any war. They’re not purposely targeting schools/hospitals etc to kill and maim kids. Unless you can provide some evidence of that. (Like I asked earlier) 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

For them as want a ceasefire; I expect you know that there was a ceasefire until Hamas broke it on 7 October?

Salient.

Some relaxations too had allowed a number of Gazans to cross daily to work in Israel.

Also heard of stories of Israel installing new water pipes that were supposedly dug up and used to make rockets. 

Could be bullshit of course, but if true then it is just another example of Hamas depravity.

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

They’re not doing it on purpose. We’ve agreed there’s collateral damage like any war. They’re not purposely targeting schools/hospitals etc to kill and maim kids. Unless you can provide some evidence of that. (Like I asked earlier) 

Oh okay, here we are again.
You avoided the question so I assumed you agreed.

 I’ll try again

Do you think Israel knows that innocent children will be caught up in its strikes & village evictions? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Oh okay, here we are again.
You avoided the question so I assumed you agreed.

 I’ll try again

Do you think Israel knows that innocent children will be caught up in its strikes & village evictions? 

Of course they will, it’s called collateral damage which happens in all wars. That’s not purposely killing kids 🤦🏻

[Winchester White]

I don't have the answers but this bloke knows his onions.

[globaldiver]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

They’re not doing it on purpose. We’ve agreed there’s collateral damage like any war. They’re not purposely targeting schools/hospitals etc to kill and maim kids. Unless you can provide some evidence of that. (Like I asked earlier) 

Quite.

Hamas deliberately kill (and torture etc) anyone, Israel will be doing their best to avoid innocent victims, but have a legitimate goal to prosecute.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

For them as want a ceasefire; I expect you know that there was a ceasefire until Hamas broke it on 7 October?

Quite

Shame that Israel continued to forcibly remove innocent Palestinians from their land across the West Bank & East Jerusalem during this ceasefire. Was that Hamas’ fault too? 
 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/07/israel-un-experts-condemn-forced-eviction-east-jerusalem-families

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

Of course they will

👍

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Quite

Shame that Israel continued to forcibly remove innocent Palestinians from their land across the West Bank & East Jerusalem during this ceasefire. Was that Hamas’ fault too? 
 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/07/israel-un-experts-condemn-forced-eviction-east-jerusalem-families

So they chop babies heads off as retaliation. Not got a leg to stand on. 

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

So they chop babies heads off as retaliation. Not got a leg to stand on. 

Couldn’t agree more 👍

 Heres a timeline of the conflict.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23921529/israel-palestine-timeline-gaza-hamas-war-conflict

Let me know how much scrolling & decades you get through before you reach Hamas. Do you think looking at those events that Israel also have a leg to stand on?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Quite

Shame that Israel continued to forcibly remove innocent Palestinians from their land across the West Bank & East Jerusalem during this ceasefire. Was that Hamas’ fault too? 
 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/07/israel-un-experts-condemn-forced-eviction-east-jerusalem-families

All of which is known about, has been talked about before the current conflict, and would be met with deserved criticism.

Even the people of Israel have come to condemn it.

However, this is the usual response to any Israeli action.

Put yourself into their shoes for a while:

How would you like to live in Edinburgh and need anti missile defense systems stationed around the city, to protect you from rocket fire. Terrorism virtually on the doorstep, every day of your life.

Terrorists utilising materials supplied by well meaning donors in the form of aid, to create those very weapons.

Neighbours that want your very existence to end. Every day of your life.

Sooner or later, you decide enough is enough.

Fuck terror.

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Couldn’t agree more 👍

 Heres a timeline of the conflict.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23921529/israel-palestine-timeline-gaza-hamas-war-conflict

Let me know how much scrolling & decades you get through before you reach Hamas. Do you think looking at those events that Israel also have a leg to stand on?

Did you read my earlier post about Israel’s unjust actions? I don’t attempt to defend them, you really shouldn’t be trying to defend the heinous crimes Hamas and other terror groups have committed against Israel & Jews. 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All of which is known about, has been talked about before the current conflict, and would be met with deserved criticism.

Even the people of Israel have come to condemn it.

However, this is the usual response to any Israeli action.

Put yourself into their shoes for a while:

How would you like to live in Edinburgh and need anti missile defense systems stationed around the city, to protect you from rocket fire. Terrorism virtually on the doorstep, every day of your life.

Terrorists utilising materials supplied by well meaning donors in the form of aid, to create those very weapons.

Neighbours that want your very existence to end. Every day of your life.

Sooner or later, you decide enough is enough.

Fuck terror.

Absolutely. Hard to disagree with much of that. I can appreciate many Israelis feel that way.

You could also rephrase the whole post and apply it to a Palestinian living peacefully in the West Bank or Gaza. And you could finish with the same words ‘fuck terror’. 
 

It exists on both sides. 

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Did you read my earlier post about Israel’s unjust actions? I don’t attempt to defend them, you really shouldn’t be trying to defend the heinous crimes Hamas and other terror groups have committed against Israel & Jews. 

I didn’t. What did you say?
 

How the fck am I trying to defend Hamas? I just said I couldn’t agree more with you that they haven’t a leg to  stand on 😂 do you read posts?

Edited October 28, 2023 by London Wanderer

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Did you read my earlier post about Israel’s unjust actions? I don’t attempt to defend them, you really shouldn’t be trying to defend the heinous crimes Hamas and other terror groups have committed against Israel & Jews. 

His link illustrated the history, to which a number of posts previously have already referred.

Historically, a lot of mistakes, and changes of approach because of worldwide factors.

Nothing new though.

The article itself has a slant, and seems to minimise Palestinian actions by its brief descriptions and offer a more condemnatory tone of Israeli action.

Sadly though, I think you're correct; there does seem to be a creeping "justification" of current behaviour by terrorist groups.

We have knowledge of the holocaust for example, but have nevertheless put that to one side in seeking new relationships with Germany over the years.

Cannot keep harping back to events over a century ago though to "explain" current difficulties. 

The here and now has to be dealt with: a war to route out terror, and then hopefully allow the negotiators, with their historic knowledge to come to a genuine, peaceful, two state solution. 

I won't hold my breath though.