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8 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Genuine question, not a justification of why it happens but is a poppy on the shirt political?

Certainly not.

An annual commemoration of those lost in conflict, and fund raiser for those ex soldiers requiring assistance from the Royal British Legion. 

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16 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Genuine question, not a justification of why it happens but is a poppy on the shirt political?

Only to those who want it to be, to suit their agenda.

It's to respect the dead and the sacrifices they made.

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35 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Genuine question, not a justification of why it happens but is a poppy on the shirt political?

I'd say no.

However, if someone refuses to wear one they could argue they don't want to due to political reasons.

 

 

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2 hours ago, NiC said:

Its not middle aged, white crap though is it? I was saying I haven't got a clue what its like to be a Black British man, and if someone who is wants to use a platform they have through their own talent about an issue they feel is relevant I don't think I should be stopping them , and yes I understand my privilege, from my skin colour to the luck of the family I was born into. Everyone has personal issues but society isn't stacked against me, I've had more opportunities than 90% of people, and if someone is saying they are profiled or abused because of their background, I feel it's only right I should listen to that view, a view I have literally no first hand experience of.

So, if someone wants to take a knee to say, yes I believe racism in society is still an issue we need to look at an do something about then I have no issue at all with it.

I know you wouldn't boo, and you are pretty bloody far from being any sort of racist, and I think we can see that those that do are doing so for some other reasons, and if you don't agree, fair fucks - but just let them get on with it and support them hopefully doing something amazing over the next few weeks for this country. Lord knows, we could do with a smile being brought to our collective faces.

You're not privileged because of the colour of your skin. Funny that this term 'privileged' is only aimed at white people, without anyone knowing what upbringing they may have had. But that's apparently OK because they are white. Judging someone's quality of life based on the colour of their skin. Not great. 

Is society against everyone that isn't white? or is it just black people that live in the West and have been given opportunity in countries they now deem racist?

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17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Certainly not.

An annual commemoration of those lost in conflict, and fund raiser for those ex soldiers requiring assistance from the Royal British Legion. 

 

10 minutes ago, Traf said:

Only to those who want it to be, to suit their agenda.

It's to respect the dead and the sacrifices they made.

Which I wholeheartedly support, but if I’m not mistaken black soldiers served, as well as wind rush as a result of WW2, so we honour the dead because they died for our freedom and rightly so but people decide that this is enough and we should just get on it.

Now before anyone jumps on it and says they’re not the same yes I understand that and not trying to say they are, my point is black players are targeted for abuse because of the colour of their skin but they should just have to get on with it.

They want equality and are making a peaceful protest to highlight the problem so why does that not get the respect across the board , why do the players not get the respect? Why are they told to get on with it, tired of it now, just want to watch the match. 

Why is their cause for equality booed and  subject to ignorance because people are sick to death of it

You know who else are sick to death of it? Black people. 
Sick of having to defend why they fighting for a  for a cause, sick of explaining why they are still kneeling, sick of playing in a sport where they will be abused because of the colour of their skin.

Im sick to death of this subject but that doesn’t mean it will go away. 
 

I have children now and they’re young but I would feel sick to my stomach at them watching sport and people booing their right for equality because of the colour of their skin.

Sick of it appearing in sport. Try being sick of worrying about being abused because of the colour of your skin.

Traf TMGJ this isn’t directed at you and I hope you don’t think it is . I’ve just had enough of discussing it and trying to explain to people why kneeling is still going on. 

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1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Certainly not.

An annual commemoration of those lost in conflict, and fund raiser for those ex soldiers requiring assistance from the Royal British Legion. 

It's a fair bet that some of those booing players taking a knee and 'bringing politics into football', were also booing Aaron McClean for exercising his right not to wear a poppy on his shirt. 

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4 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

It's a fair bet that some of those booing players taking a knee and 'bringing politics into football', were also booing Aaron McClean for exercising his right not to wear a poppy on his shirt. 

I wouldn't need an excuse to boo that cunt. 

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12 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

It's a fair bet that some of those booing players taking a knee and 'bringing politics into football', were also booing Aaron McClean for exercising his right not to wear a poppy on his shirt. 

That cunt wasnt just exercising his right. He turned his back on national anthem as well so gets what he deserves as far as im concerned. i will boo that cunt because hes happy to take our money then throw it back in our face. 

And normally i dont agree with having a go at anybody who doesnt want to wear a poppy/kneel or whatever. Live and let live. McLean boils my piss tho. 

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44 minutes ago, Rudy said:

 

Which I wholeheartedly support, but if I’m not mistaken black soldiers served, as well as wind rush as a result of WW2, so we honour the dead because they died for our freedom and rightly so but people decide that this is enough and we should just get on it.

Now before anyone jumps on it and says they’re not the same yes I understand that and not trying to say they are, my point is black players are targeted for abuse because of the colour of their skin but they should just have to get on with it.

They want equality and are making a peaceful protest to highlight the problem so why does that not get the respect across the board , why do the players not get the respect? Why are they told to get on with it, tired of it now, just want to watch the match. 

Why is their cause for equality booed and  subject to ignorance because people are sick to death of it

You know who else are sick to death of it? Black people. 
Sick of having to defend why they fighting for a  for a cause, sick of explaining why they are still kneeling, sick of playing in a sport where they will be abused because of the colour of their skin.

Im sick to death of this subject but that doesn’t mean it will go away. 
 

I have children now and they’re young but I would feel sick to my stomach at them watching sport and people booing their right for equality because of the colour of their skin.

Sick of it appearing in sport. Try being sick of worrying about being abused because of the colour of your skin.

Traf TMGJ this isn’t directed at you and I hope you don’t think it is . I’ve just had enough of discussing it and trying to explain to people why kneeling is still going on. 

IMO Black players are targeted because they are good at football and rival fans call their opponents. Bald, red headed, gay looking and people like Peter Crouch also get targeted. Probably easy for me to say because I am white but negative comments about someone’s colour of the skin shouldn’t bother them because they do ok with the opposite sex and have the same opportunity in life. BLM has done more harm than good and we need to respect each other as human beings and just get on

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55 minutes ago, Rudy said:

 

Which I wholeheartedly support, but if I’m not mistaken black soldiers served, as well as wind rush as a result of WW2, so we honour the dead because they died for our freedom and rightly so but people decide that this is enough and we should just get on it.

Now before anyone jumps on it and says they’re not the same yes I understand that and not trying to say they are, my point is black players are targeted for abuse because of the colour of their skin but they should just have to get on with it.

They want equality and are making a peaceful protest to highlight the problem so why does that not get the respect across the board , why do the players not get the respect? Why are they told to get on with it, tired of it now, just want to watch the match. 

Why is their cause for equality booed and  subject to ignorance because people are sick to death of it

You know who else are sick to death of it? Black people. 
Sick of having to defend why they fighting for a  for a cause, sick of explaining why they are still kneeling, sick of playing in a sport where they will be abused because of the colour of their skin.

Im sick to death of this subject but that doesn’t mean it will go away. 
 

I have children now and they’re young but I would feel sick to my stomach at them watching sport and people booing their right for equality because of the colour of their skin.

Sick of it appearing in sport. Try being sick of worrying about being abused because of the colour of your skin.

Traf TMGJ this isn’t directed at you and I hope you don’t think it is . I’ve just had enough of discussing it and trying to explain to people why kneeling is still going on. 

Beautifully put.

... and then I read RUR2R's post and wonder why you bothered. (Apart from his last thirteen words)

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1 minute ago, DazBob said:

Beautifully put.

... and then I read RUR2R's post and wonder why you bothered.

So what is so wrong with what I posted? Do I not have an opinion being white? FFS what is wrong with you? 

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8 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

So what is so wrong with what I posted? 

This little beauty was a particular highlight

"negative comments about someone’s colour of the skin shouldn’t bother them because they do ok with the opposite sex"

... and in answer to your question, yes, of course as a white man you can have an opinion. Anyone and everyone can, but if you put it out there don't get too upset if others disagree with it.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Which, in delicious irony, sums up this thread like the edgiest of two-edged swords.

Oh, I get that there are plenty who don't agree with my view on it. I've no issue with that.

Whilst I don't understand or respect their viewpoint, I respect their right to have it.

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2 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

You're not privileged because of the colour of your skin. Funny that this term 'privileged' is only aimed at white people, without anyone knowing what upbringing they may have had. But that's apparently OK because they are white. Judging someone's quality of life based on the colour of their skin. Not great. 

Is society against everyone that isn't white? or is it just black people that live in the West and have been given opportunity in countries they now deem racist?

I suggest some reading around and on the subject before you post as that's one of the most naive things I've seen on here.

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1 hour ago, Rudy said:

 

Which I wholeheartedly support, but if I’m not mistaken black soldiers served, as well as wind rush as a result of WW2, so we honour the dead because they died for our freedom and rightly so but people decide that this is enough and we should just get on it.

Now before anyone jumps on it and says they’re not the same yes I understand that and not trying to say they are, my point is black players are targeted for abuse because of the colour of their skin but they should just have to get on with it.

They want equality and are making a peaceful protest to highlight the problem so why does that not get the respect across the board , why do the players not get the respect? Why are they told to get on with it, tired of it now, just want to watch the match. 

Why is their cause for equality booed and  subject to ignorance because people are sick to death of it

You know who else are sick to death of it? Black people. 
Sick of having to defend why they fighting for a  for a cause, sick of explaining why they are still kneeling, sick of playing in a sport where they will be abused because of the colour of their skin.

Im sick to death of this subject but that doesn’t mean it will go away. 
 

I have children now and they’re young but I would feel sick to my stomach at them watching sport and people booing their right for equality because of the colour of their skin.

Sick of it appearing in sport. Try being sick of worrying about being abused because of the colour of your skin.

Traf TMGJ this isn’t directed at you and I hope you don’t think it is . I’ve just had enough of discussing it and trying to explain to people why kneeling is still going on. 

I think you've not getting the point being made. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, no one on here is being critical because of the colour or back ground of any player.

Every single one will wholly back efforts that we've seen before, kick it out etc.

Specifically, folk are unhappy with the whole George Floyd/blm aspect. For me, seeing posters of an evil, crime ridden cunt from thousands of miles away does the whole equality movement a massive disservice. Yes, he was murdered by a police man, but justice has now been served.

For some reason, we saw thousands across the world jumping on the blm bandwagon, protestors attacking anyone and everyone in their path, irrespective of their colour or race. We've seen that stupid woman racially abusing another black man.

This has undermined previous efforts, and you're now seeing a reaction to that.

Years ago, we regularly heard chants wholly of a racist nature aimed at black players. It used to really piss me off and spoil the game- it was an uncomfortable experience.

Thankfully, those days are essentially gone, and if some individual cunt makes a gesture or comment along those lines, they're reported/caught on cctv and death with.

Huge progress has been made, and efforts are still required, but blm and taking the knee quite simply aren't for me- they actually remind me of those bygone days that I don't want to revisit.

 

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19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I think you've not getting the point being made. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, no one on here is being critical because of the colour or back ground of any player.

Every single one will wholly back efforts that we've seen before, kick it out etc.

Specifically, folk are unhappy with the whole George Floyd/blm aspect. For me, seeing posters of an evil, crime ridden cunt from thousands of miles away does the whole equality movement a massive disservice. Yes, he was murdered by a police man, but justice has now been served.

For some reason, we saw thousands across the world jumping on the blm bandwagon, protestors attacking anyone and everyone in their path, irrespective of their colour or race. We've seen that stupid woman racially abusing another black man.

This has undermined previous efforts, and you're now seeing a reaction to that.

Years ago, we regularly heard chants wholly of a racist nature aimed at black players. It used to really piss me off and spoil the game- it was an uncomfortable experience.

Thankfully, those days are essentially gone, and if some individual cunt makes a gesture or comment along those lines, they're reported/caught on cctv and death with.

Huge progress has been made, and efforts are still required, but blm and taking the knee quite simply aren't for me- they actually remind me of those bygone days that I don't want to revisit.

 

But it’s not an individual gesture, it’s after every game in high profile games a black sportsman is getting abuse 

BLM isn’t a representation of players kneeling

George Floyd being killed wasn't the reason it was the tipping point, it wasn’t a bandwagon it was a ripple effect that in this day and age it’s still happening.

If you think you don’t want to go back to those days because it spoiled the game then what do you think the black players being abused feel like. 
It should  be uncomfortable, but I guarantee you that feeling is nothing compared to what these players are going through. 
The point of kneeling is to stand a stand against it. Booing just shows that the issue isn’t being taken seriously enough because people are sick of it

Im glad people are sick of it, I hope they keep the courage up to keep kneeling whilst the booing carries on, showing a strong spirit that won’t be broken because people are sick of it 

 

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If I’m totally honest if people want it to stop or boo or not go to their seat then go ahead that’s their choice and their opinion

I can’t help but feel as a black lad and a wanderer a little disappointed to be fighting so hard to explain why booing and ending kneeling because people are sick of it  against fellow wanderers. 
 

I genuinely feel sad about it. 
 

Im done talking about it,I’m not going to post anymore.

 I’m not the spokesman for equality I’m just someone who has been and is affected by racism in sport and in life 

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