stevieb Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zico said: they probably aren't even English, no such problems here anyway had a look at the odds for Qatar Brazil @ 11/2 France @ 6/1 England @ 9/1 Belgium @ 10/1 Spain @ 10/1 Italy @ 10/1 Germany @ 12/1 Argentina @ 12/1 Portugal @ 14/1 Holland @ 16/1 we still have lots to do if we're to beat the best and win it, and I get France being favourites, but not Brazil - there line up in the Copa America had some average looking players in there like Richarlison, Soares and Fred Brazil probably lazy bookies favorites due to the climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 13, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2021 Aren’t favourites/outsiders decided based on amount of money placed on them and therefore the bookie’s risk rather than a teams likelihood of doing well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 13, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, MickyD said: Aren’t favourites/outsiders decided based on amount of money placed on them and therefore the bookie’s risk rather than a teams likelihood of doing well? I doubt that much money has been placed on WC Winners yet, or for the odds to change dramatically between now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted July 13, 2021 Members Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zico said: I doubt that much money has been placed on WC Winners yet, or for the odds to change dramatically between now and then Copy pasted from the last few world cups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, MickyD said: Aren’t favourites/outsiders decided based on amount of money placed on them and therefore the bookie’s risk rather than a teams likelihood of doing well? Yes, once things get closer. It's more on the balance of risk to the bookies that likelyhood of outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 13, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2021 58 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Yes, once things get closer. It's more on the balance of risk to the bookies that likelyhood of outcome. So on the grounds that more folk will have a cheeky few quid on England than will bet as an investment on one of the favourites England’s odds will probably stay short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Zico said: they probably aren't even English, no such problems here anyway had a look at the odds for Qatar Brazil @ 11/2 France @ 6/1 England @ 9/1 Belgium @ 10/1 Spain @ 10/1 Italy @ 10/1 Germany @ 12/1 Argentina @ 12/1 Portugal @ 14/1 Holland @ 16/1 we still have lots to do if we're to beat the best and win it, and I get France being favourites, but not Brazil - there line up in the Copa America had some average looking players in there like Richarlison, Soares and Fred The heat will be factored in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) Average high in December in Qatar is 25 degrees. With most games late afternoon and evening, hot weather will not decide the winners. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup#Schedule First two group games kick off 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 10pm. Final group games & Knockouts 6pm and 10pm. Edited July 14, 2021 by jayjayoghani Added wikipedia link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted July 14, 2021 Members Share Posted July 14, 2021 Not to mention all the pitches will be air conditioned so won’t be getting over 16° Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 14, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2021 Some good points here, definitely need to maximise our attacking potential moving forward https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/12/did-lockdown-football-cost-england-the-euros/ Did ‘Lockdown Football’ cost England the Euros? Are we allowed to be honest about the failings of Gareth Southgate’s soulless, safety-first strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirNatsDog Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Good article that and absolutely spot on from what I could see. Will it be any different at the World Cup? Probably not under Mr Safety First? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Zico said: Are we allowed to be honest about the failings of Gareth Southgate’s soulless, safety-first strategy? I assume he rushed that off to print as Saka's penalty was saved. His end remarks about the irreverent fans being the true spirit etc., etc., appear rather off colour (no pun intended) now. I'd also say that reactionary positions are balanced on a knife edge. I'm no fan of Southgate & his approach was, is & always will be extremely cautious. He worries about the opposition more than he has them worry about his own team. But that came within two mishit penalties of winning the trophy. People should balance their view around his overall approach & decide if it's what they like to see or look forward to more of. No manager has had this quality of young, positive, vibrant, skilful, investive, creative flair than he has at his disposal. Will he ... can he use it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 14, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: People should balance their view around his overall approach & decide if it's what they like to see or look forward to more of. No manager has had this quality of young, positive, vibrant, skilful, investive, creative flair than he has at his disposal. Will he ... can he use it ? To be fair, that's exactly what i took from the article The answer might be no No harm in using something like the nations league to give it a go, as I think we'll need a little bit more than trying to sit on goal lead to win the WC Not for one second criticising GS, the question is where do we go from here to take that next step forward, which i think we're capable of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Although Phillips admittedly didn't do much wrong, I don't think he's a part of us keeping the ball better against the best teams. Virtually always plays the way he faces, no risk passes, even if space behind him. We need someone who passes much better, can create angles in tight spaces. He's a great athlete and aggressive but that isn't enough for me. Rice actually grew on me as the tournament progressed. One article I read was saying build the team around Bellingham for the WC, tough ask of an 18 yo. Interesting to see if Grealish goes to City, will Southgate trust him more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zico said: To be fair, that's exactly what i took from the article The answer might be no No harm in using something like the nations league to give it a go, as I think we'll need a little bit more than trying to sit on goal lead to win the WC Not for one second criticising GS, the question is where do we go from here to take that next step forward, which i think we're capable of I read it as more conclusive. I support that Southgate can & should be asked question of, at present that seems to be treated as sacrilege by many. But he was SO close to achieving his aim he can certainly defend his case. Anyway, is he capable of making best use of the talent he has at his disposal ? It could well be "no" but we're sure as sure going into the next tournament with him in charge, assuming he wishes to. Edited July 14, 2021 by Dr. Feelgood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 9 hours ago, jayjayoghani said: Average high in December in Qatar is 25 degrees. With most games late afternoon and evening, hot weather will not decide the winners. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup#Schedule First two group games kick off 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 10pm. Final group games & Knockouts 6pm and 10pm. thats good, I keep reading its hoter than a apple turnover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolli Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Although we got to the final, and that was an achievement in itself, i think Southgate as been given an easy ride off the Media with regards to his choosing of the penalty takers, due to the alleged racist issues.. My opinion is he made a monumental cock up choosing Saka firstly, as he as never taken a penalty before in professional football! That cannot be right, whatever he saw in training, and, by the way, im not blaming Saka! Secondly, to allow two players to take a penalty in the biggest game in Englands history, when they hadnt even touched the ball, beggars belief! Every one of the three misses saw the players take the same "stammer" before shooting. That must have been nerves! Again, im not blaming any of the players, i think Southgate as got off lightly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted July 14, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2021 I agree with Woolli, I'm convinved Sterling shit out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Carlos said: I agree with Woolli, I'm convinved Sterling shit out of it. Its a sad state of affairs but imagine the fallout (racist or otherwise) if Sterling had missed the decisive pen. I wouldn't blame any player for not wanting to take the last pen in these days of twitter etc hatred, and if they happen to be one of those players who "divides opinion" and/or isn't white, even more so. Southgate's choice of Saka for any pen, never mind the last one, beggars belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted July 14, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2021 I also don't think Southgate is the only one to blame, sure he has the final say but his captain, his assistant etc. they need to tell him that your senior pros take the pens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) I'm pretty sure Sterling has missed more penalties than he's scored. I'd not have been fancying him to score if he'd stepped up. I'd rather Pickford had taken the last one. Edited July 14, 2021 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, DazBob said: I'm pretty sure Sterling has missed more penalties than he's taken. I'd not have been fancying him to score if he'd stepped up. I'd rather Pickford had taken the last one. Apparently he was 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Carlos said: I agree with Woolli, I'm convinved Sterling shit out of it. At least your only homophobic calling Grealish a liar. 😉 Edited July 14, 2021 by green genie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Been hearing how the Government is now going to pass a law banning racist social media abusers being banned from attending football matches. That's at least half of Chelsea and Millwall season tickets up the creek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 As an aside, hell of a penalty from Macguire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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