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39 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Got to admit, I hate the term M0ng when relating to Downs Syndrome kids, M0ngy Darren included. However, it’s use is all about context. If someone I know off here came up to me at a match and greeted me with, “Alright m0ng boy?” or similar I’d laugh it off. If, however, they were referring to a Downs Syndrome person at the same game I’d be pissed off with their attitude. 
 

As I said, it’s all about context.

Well said...

Maybe that's why I didn't get that job at Birtenshaw, when I opened my sample teach with "Alreet m0ngy boys and girls"..?

Like MickyD says it's got its own meaning on here stemming from the days of a filter.

Darren has always been Darren to me.

His mention of ageism yet failure to pull me up for my homophobic slur suggests to me that, for him, it was less about disabled rights and more of trying to paint me as a hypocrite.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's a budding boo-er like Bolty admits to being.

And why gun for me? What about; Tory tosser Leigh White? Puritanical Prudish Preacher Gonzo? Drug and Drink Addled Thug Didledee? The thick and proud of it Malcolm or the vile racist pair that are Rudy and Deane?

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32 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Got to admit, I hate the term M0ng when relating to Downs Syndrome kids, M0ngy Darren included. However, it’s use is all about context. If someone I know off here came up to me at a match and greeted me with, “Alright m0ng boy?” or similar I’d laugh it off. If, however, they were referring to a Downs Syndrome person at the same game I’d be pissed off with their attitude. 
 

As I said, it’s all about context.

I'll remember this next time I see you at the match

(am I ok to follow it up with facial gesture where you stick your tongue behind your lower lip and go "ugh"?)

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33 minutes ago, MickyD said:

As I said, it’s all about context.

There is no context where calling someone that is concerned. Just as there is no context for using racial slurs.

I get that times have changed and what was once done unthinkingly is now more highlighted but the right thing to then do is hold your hands up, say "yeah, I understand" and not do it again.

But no, he doubles down. Triples down. Goes on about age, about homosexuality, about disability & feels its OK because he's been doing it for years. You see it as "in context".

You may as well abandon any claims to racial insults being wrong in that case ... aaaah, but no, that is virtuous & gets you righteousness points.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

There is no context where calling someone that is concerned. Just as there is no context for using racial slurs.

I get that times have changed and what was once done unthinkingly is now more highlighted but the right thing to then do is hold your hands up, say "yeah, I understand" and not do it again.

But no, he doubles down. Triples down. Goes on about age, about homosexuality, about disability & feels its OK because he's been doing it for years. You see it as "in context".

You may as well abandon any claims to racial insults being wrong in that case ... aaaah, but no, that is virtuous & gets you righteousness points.

So now it's my fault?

Aye,  alreet!

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1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

There is no context where calling someone that is concerned. Just as there is no context for using racial slurs.

I get that times have changed and what was once done unthinkingly is now more highlighted but the right thing to then do is hold your hands up, say "yeah, I understand" and not do it again.

But no, he doubles down. Triples down. Goes on about age, about homosexuality, about disability & feels its OK because he's been doing it for years. You see it as "in context".

You may as well abandon any claims to racial insults being wrong in that case ... aaaah, but no, that is virtuous & gets you righteousness points.

There’s always context 

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6 minutes ago, Rudy said:

There’s always context 

I often wonder about this. I was in the Army with a few black lads and I'm sure I said some things that written down now would look pretty bad.

And the context then was I was living with these guys, going on the piss, in the same football teams, going on exercise/deployment s,  they were my mates.

So anything said was not with any malicious intent, and they gave as good as they got!. But 20 years later I'm worried how it would look now, and also, not my mates but people looking for an angle could portray similar banter years later?.

I also don't know if it's a northern thing too, we take the piss out of our nearest and dearest, it's a term of endearment almost, if I don't like you coz you're a cunt would just say so!

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13 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

I often wonder about this. I was in the Army with a few black lads and I'm sure I said some things that written down now would look pretty bad.

And the context then was I was living with these guys, going on the piss, in the same football teams, going on exercise/deployment s,  they were my mates.

So anything said was not with any malicious intent, and they gave as good as they got!. But 20 years later I'm worried how it would look now, and also, not my mates but people looking for an angle could portray similar banter years later?.

I also don't know if it's a northern thing too, we take the piss out of our nearest and dearest, it's a term of endearment almost, if I don't like you coz you're a cunt would just say so!

To me it’s the content never the word. The other day me and my (white mates) were quoting certain scenes from Django unchained. No one was being harmed or offended. 
You have to know your surroundings of course but if it’s not malicious all good with me 

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50 minutes ago, Rudy said:

To me it’s the content never the word. The other day me and my (white mates) were quoting certain scenes from Django unchained. No one was being harmed or offended. 
You have to know your surroundings of course but if it’s not malicious all good with me 

Like the big hoohah about Edinson Cavani?

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4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Like the big hoohah about Edinson Cavani?

Yeah Exactly that. I mean that’s just ridiculous. Shows how uneducated the powers that be can really be 

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5 hours ago, MickyD said:

Got to admit, I hate the term M0ng when relating to Downs Syndrome kids, M0ngy Darren included. However, it’s use is all about context. If someone I know off here came up to me at a match and greeted me with, “Alright m0ng boy?” or similar I’d laugh it off. If, however, they were referring to a Downs Syndrome person at the same game I’d be pissed off with their attitude. 
 

As I said, it’s all about context.

I used to see Darren occasionally at the day centre he went to (pre Covid, don't know if he still goes). He still knew me as a Bolton fan and remembered my nickname and we always had a talk about the match.

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I may have said before, Darren was one of the first Downs kids to go into mainstream education at Smithills. A former colleague and one or two classmates still take him out for a meal every year which, 34 or so years after leaving is a fine effort.

We we’re once returning from a fire, this same colleague, RM, was officer and I was driving. Darren was standing at the bus stop near Ainsworth Arms, top of Halliwell Rd. We stopped and RM asked him where he was off to. He was going to Jubilee Centre to a party. RM asked the crew if we were ok to give him a lift down.

No worries, so in he jumped. He was like an excited kid! Even more so when I flicked the sirens and blue lights on all the way down to Shepherds Cross Street. He loved it!

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1 hour ago, MickyD said:

I may have said before, Darren was one of the first Downs kids to go into mainstream education at Smithills. A former colleague and one or two classmates still take him out for a meal every year which, 34 or so years after leaving is a fine effort.

We we’re once returning from a fire, this same colleague, RM, was officer and I was driving. Darren was standing at the bus stop near Ainsworth Arms, top of Halliwell Rd. We stopped and RM asked him where he was off to. He was going to Jubilee Centre to a party. RM asked the crew if we were ok to give him a lift down.

No worries, so in he jumped. He was like an excited kid! Even more so when I flicked the sirens and blue lights on all the way down to Shepherds Cross Street. He loved it!

I proper love that! My cousin (one of thousands) has a little boy with downsyndrome and he's the loveliest lad. I can imagine how happy he would have been ☺️☺️

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Sparta Prague 

Playing Rangers tonight 

Home fans been banned for previous incidents of racist abuse  

But they let 10k school kids all under 14 in 

They spent the entire match booing Glen Kamara till he got sent off

 

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5 minutes ago, Zico said:

Sparta Prague 

Playing Rangers tonight 

Home fans been banned for previous incidents of racist abuse  

But they let 10k school kids all under 14 in 

They spent the entire match booing Glen Kamara till he got sent off

 

Sure it wasn’t just 3 accounts from overseas

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On 13/09/2021 at 22:32, bolton_blondie said:

I proper love that! My cousin (one of thousands) has a little boy with downsyndrome and he's the loveliest lad. I can imagine how happy he would have been ☺️☺️

I used to support a young man (not Darren) who could be a bit of a one but he was too honest. He used to grass himself up. He'd come up to me and say 'you need to check that toilet, I've put a full toilet roll down and flushed it'.

Or one time 'you better look in the sink  I've put that girls phone it the washing up bowl.'

Full of hot soapy water and greasy pots.

 

 

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