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Kachunga - victim of racist abuse


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7 hours ago, Casino said:

You could quite easily find fault with most footballers, some aren’t very bright, and don’t know when to reign it in. When it’s such a delicate subject as poppies and the Irish troubles it probably needed guidance , for him to have an arm around him and say, look your views are your views and they can’t be changed but they may come with consequences which can and will affect your time on the pitch and in this case off it.

I don’t feel like he’s ever got that as much as he probably should given the circumstance 


The media have had a big big role to play with him, blowing things out of the water to sell papers without looking at their consequences as well.

If you grew up in Derry and in particular bogside you probably would have had a family member who were there on Bloody Sunday , to make someone wear a poppy against their will is a bit short sighted. 
 

He has family and friends back home in Derry I don’t think it’s particularly right to put a symbol on his chest which could cause him and his family trouble back home.

Hes certainly not innocent in his behaviour at times but he’s not the only one.

A terrorist or terrorist sympathiser is a ridiculous thing to say about him. 
 

 

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36 minutes ago, Rudy said:

You could quite easily find fault with most footballers, some aren’t very bright, and don’t know when to reign it in. When it’s such a delicate subject as poppies and the Irish troubles it probably needed guidance , for him to have an arm around him and say, look your views are your views and they can’t be changed but they may come with consequences which can and will affect your time on the pitch and in this case off it.

I don’t feel like he’s ever got that as much as he probably should given the circumstance 


The media have had a big big role to play with him, blowing things out of the water to sell papers without looking at their consequences as well.

If you grew up in Derry and in particular bogside you probably would have had a family member who were there on Bloody Sunday , to make someone wear a poppy against their will is a bit short sighted. 
 

He has family and friends back home in Derry I don’t think it’s particularly right to put a symbol on his chest which could cause him and his family trouble back home.

Hes certainly not innocent in his behaviour at times but he’s not the only one.

A terrorist or terrorist sympathiser is a ridiculous thing to say about him. 
 

 

It's not really if you grew up on the other side.

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1 hour ago, Rudy said:

You could quite easily find fault with most footballers, some aren’t very bright, and don’t know when to reign it in. When it’s such a delicate subject as poppies and the Irish troubles it probably needed guidance , for him to have an arm around him and say, look your views are your views and they can’t be changed but they may come with consequences which can and will affect your time on the pitch and in this case off it.

I don’t feel like he’s ever got that as much as he probably should given the circumstance 


The media have had a big big role to play with him, blowing things out of the water to sell papers without looking at their consequences as well.

If you grew up in Derry and in particular bogside you probably would have had a family member who were there on Bloody Sunday , to make someone wear a poppy against their will is a bit short sighted. 
 

He has family and friends back home in Derry I don’t think it’s particularly right to put a symbol on his chest which could cause him and his family trouble back home.

Hes certainly not innocent in his behaviour at times but he’s not the only one.

A terrorist or terrorist sympathiser is a ridiculous thing to say about him. 
 

 

I’m more concerned that no one else on here has ever heard any of the abuse thrown at him. This forum either has the deafest fans in football, they all sit in the west upper, they don’t go, or a bunch of lying fuckers.
 

I’m going for the last. 

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8 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m more concerned that no one else on here has ever heard any of the abuse thrown at him. This forum either has the deafest fans in football, they all sit in the west upper, they don’t go, or a bunch of lying fuckers.
 

I’m going for the last. 

Oh I heard it and I’ve heard it before. My Irish wife has heard it in the past when someone called him a nail bombing Irish cunt when he was at Stoke or Sunderland can’t remember.

I wasn’t best pleased and he got told. In hindsight I should have reported it, on me that I didn’t 

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1 hour ago, royal white said:

I’m more concerned that no one else on here has ever heard any of the abuse thrown at him. This forum either has the deafest fans in football, they all sit in the west upper, they don’t go, or a bunch of lying fuckers.
 

I’m going for the last. 

We've all heard it, mate and I'd guess that more than half of us have done it at some point too. 

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9 minutes ago, Traf said:

We've all heard it, mate and I'd guess that more than half of us have done it at some point too. 

Fully agree, so back to my original point. Many on here were demanding Hungary play games behind closed doors, get kicked out of the World Cup, receive fines etc. Will they be doing the same for us or is it only those pesky eastern Europeans that deserve bans? 

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5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Fully agree, so back to my original point. Many on here were demanding Hungary play games behind closed doors, get kicked out of the World Cup, receive fines etc. Will they be doing the same for us or is it only those pesky eastern Europeans that deserve bans? 

I'd say the "Do as I say, not do as I do" approach will apply.

I'm not for sanctioning clubs/countries etc per sé, because it's unfair on the majority who beahve themselves, but the situation needs addressing and we can all play our part by reporting stuff.

Sadly, much of the abuse is just lazy stereotyping as opposed to out and out racism, it's the route of least resisitance sometimes. People lose their rag and come out with an insult based on the first thing they see. It could be fat, ginger, four-eyed etc etc, not just skin colour.

Please, nobody be under any misunderstanding here, I'm not condoning any abuse given out at all, but I can see how in the heat of the moment things can be said that are later regretted by normally rational people. But they're not the crux of the issue :  you've got a racist element to society who abuse others before a ball is kicked in anger, but society and football need to police this better and they're failing right now.

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18 minutes ago, royal white said:

Fully agree, so back to my original point. Many on here were demanding Hungary play games behind closed doors, get kicked out of the World Cup, receive fines etc. Will they be doing the same for us or is it only those pesky eastern Europeans that deserve bans? 

Just had a quick look at the “Today’s Games” thread around 12 Oct when game was being played. You appear to be the only person mentioning the trouble by the Hungarians. If there is a more in-depth thread I’ve not seen maybe it’s on there.

This is all I found 

On 12/10/2021 at 22:01, royal white said:

Bloody racist Eastern European’s again!! 
 

Wait a minute 🧐

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Just had a quick look at the “Today’s Games” thread around 12 Oct when game was being played. You appear to be the only person mentioning the trouble by the Hungarians. If there is a more in-depth thread I’ve not seen maybe it’s on there.

This is all I found 

 

You’ve misunderstood my point. When Hungarians threw bottles at Sterling it was apparently because they’re  all racists (people chose to ignore objects being thrown at other players Shaw, Kane etc ) this clip was highlighting that they will throw objects at anyone regardless of skin colour. 
 

And you’d probably be best off going to the 3rd Sept regarding the game in question. 

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12 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve misunderstood my point. When Hungarians threw bottles at Sterling it was apparently because they’re  all racists (people chose to ignore objects being thrown at other players Shaw, Kane etc ) this clip was highlighting that they will throw objects at anyone regardless of skin colour. 
 

And you’d probably be best off going to the 3rd Sept regarding the game in question. 

Think it was highlighted because he got booed when he touched the ball as well. 
I don’t think the bottles were all because of his skin colour but there was certainly undertones to it due to his treatment before the goal.

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37 minutes ago, royal white said:

Fully agree, so back to my original point. Many on here were demanding Hungary play games behind closed doors, get kicked out of the World Cup, receive fines etc. Will they be doing the same for us or is it only those pesky eastern Europeans that deserve bans? 

 

So after all of this it seems nobody was  demanding Hungary to be banned or play games behind closed doors

Have you reported what happened on Saturday yet? Or are you not really arsed

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So after all of this it seems nobody was  demanding Hungary to be banned or play games behind closed doors

Have you reported what happened on Saturday yet? Or are you not really arsed

Pretty sure they was, as well as saying they should be fined, they’re  backward cunts, knuckle draggers etc.

As I’ve mentioned numerous times I have no idea who was shouting it. did you ever report it? Or are you one of the deaf/west stand uppers/lying fuckers 

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5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Pretty sure they was, as well as saying they should be fined, they’re  backward cunts, knuckle draggers etc.

As I’ve mentioned numerous times I have no idea who was shouting it. did you ever report it? Or are you one of the deaf/west stand uppers/lying fuckers 

There was nothing at all by us that I heard ESL quiet end. That is a fact, I ain't deaf. 

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2 minutes ago, Ani said:

There was nothing at all by us that I heard ESL quiet end. That is a fact, I ain't deaf. 

Same place where I sit, you’re probably  best using that link I posted.

Have you never heard racist/sectarian abuse hurled at him at our place? 

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10 minutes ago, royal white said:

Pretty sure they was, as well as saying they should be fined, they’re  backward cunts, knuckle draggers etc.

As I’ve mentioned numerous times I have no idea who was shouting it. did you ever report it? Or are you one of the deaf/west stand uppers/lying 

Didn't go to the game. Therfore didn't hear it

Which stand was you in? 

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18 minutes ago, royal white said:

Same place where I sit, you’re probably  best using that link I posted.

Have you never heard racist/sectarian abuse hurled at him at our place? 

Honestly at him no. Have I heard racist stuff ? Yes one lad and people have told him to stop and he has done, he was there Saturday and shouting crap but nothing that would be racist more big standard 'stupid dog fucking cunt'. The only thing that was remotely racist was 'balaclava wearing twat' but as he was pictured wearing one hard to class that with the big R word.

My dad used to tell a joke that he quite liked 'packis' but could not eat a full one, he told that at the match about 59 times, I did not report him btw.

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49 minutes ago, royal white said:

Same place where I sit, you’re probably  best using that link I posted.

Have you never heard racist/sectarian abuse hurled at him at our place? 

Out of interest and for balance do you think the Hungarian supporters who are opposed to players taking the knee are doing so because, they are tired of politics been shoved down their throats , it just the BLM connection, they are worried that the gesture is being misinterpreted and should be replaced by a stronger more unifying message against racism (such as pointing to the Respect badge or are some of them racist ? 
 

I know in this country is not the last point but wonder if given cultural differences they have different reasons ? 

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2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Out of interest and for balance do you think the Hungarian supporters who are opposed to players taking the knee are doing so because, they are tired of politics been shoved down their throats , it just the BLM connection, they are worried that the gesture is being misinterpreted and should be replaced by a stronger more unifying message against racism (such as pointing to the Respect badge or are some of them racist ? 
 

I know in this country is not the last point but wonder if given cultural differences they have different reasons ? 

I’ve Honestly no idea. I don’t doubt some are racist, there’s people over here from all backgrounds and colours who oppose the knee for many different reasons. I definitely wouldn’t say they’re all racist. 

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