Afolayan article

[freds dad]

Good piece about Dapo and how he plays. I look forward to Coach @Rudys views.

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/competitions/efl-league-one/dapo-afolayan-the-ex-whu-attacker-with-a-big-future-becoming-ian-evatts-ace-at-bolton-scout-report

[deane koontz]

Snitch report.

 

[Dr. Feelgood]

He's now getting a LOT of attention.

We're really not used to this, it feels odd.

Unless we're top 6 in January we're going to get offers we can't refuse. Real, proper money ... like other clubs get for their nonentities.

[Rudy]

Decent write up that

We Didn’t see the best from Dapo last season because most of the teams we played , were so flat and rigid, they stuck to their basic positions. 
 

That’s difficult for a winger because there’s not a lot of room to operate especially when teams put 10 behind the ball

League 1 teams interchange positions players don’t hug their base positions, they have multiple roles to play.

When Doyle drops deep to get the ball our shape changes 

Dapo moves in the middle, the left back pushes up, Skipper shows for the ball, Dapo Goes in the 9 position, then he runs the line and channels. It’s a nightmare to defend against because no one is sure who to pick up, then they have Doyle making a run into the box.

The full backs can overlap then the box has bodies in. 
 

It’s no coincidence that Dapo has made the most dribbles and attacks and is well in with the goals. I said he’ll flourish in this league, He’s a defenders nightmare. 

[Traf]

46 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

He's now getting a LOT of attention.

We're really not used to this, it feels odd.

Unless we're top 6 in January we're going to get offers we can't refuse. Real, proper money ... like other clubs get for their nonentities.

If the money's right for the club, he'll go. 

That's the moneybag principle and it has worked for Brentford.
Player in for nothing or next to nothing, sell for big fee.
Reinvest some on the squad and some on the infrastructure and go again.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

Decent write up that

We Didn’t see the best from Dapo last season because most of the teams we played , were so flat and rigid, they stuck to their basic positions. 
 

That’s difficult for a winger because there’s not a lot of room to operate especially when teams put 10 behind the ball

League 1 teams interchange positions players don’t hug their base positions, they have multiple roles to play.

When Doyle drops deep to get the ball our shape changes 

Dapo moves in the middle, the left back pushes up, Skipper shows for the ball, Dapo Goes in the 9 position, then he runs the line and channels. It’s a nightmare to defend against because no one is sure who to pick up, then they have Doyle making a run into the box.

The full backs can overlap then the box has bodies in. 
 

It’s no coincidence that Dapo has made the most dribbles and attacks and is well in with the goals. I said he’ll flourish in this league, He’s a defenders nightmare. 

Not disagreeing but also we have become better at how we use him. Example - Lincoln away he had clearly been told to play wide left he stuck to it rigidly. Second half straight away he more inside left than outside left and it opened up the game for him. He does look a class above let's hope it continues. Sure the usual neg heads on here we're not happy with him last year, simply not visionaries 

[Jol_BWFC]

3 hours ago, Traf said:

If the money's right for the club, he'll go. 

That's the moneybag principle and it has worked for Brentford.
Player in for nothing or next to nothing, sell for big fee.
Reinvest some on the squad and some on the infrastructure and go again.

Agreed. I’m no football club owner, but I’d think it’s worth taking the risk and rejecting any January offers (unless they are silly money) and waiting for the summer. His value after a good season would be higher than after a good 5 months.

Appreciate though that there might be someone desperate enough to take a punt in Jan and pay over the odds (see Cardiff / Madine).

[Burndens Bogs]

What price would folk be happy with if we lost him in January? 10m? 😁

[CambridgeBWFC]

Think I would want quite a lot more than £10m given some of the amounts thrown around on shite these days.

But this is BWFC so it probably won't top £4m

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

Not disagreeing but also we have become better at how we use him. Example - Lincoln away he had clearly been told to play wide left he stuck to it rigidly. Second half straight away he more inside left than outside left and it opened up the game for him. He does look a class above let's hope it continues. Sure the usual neg heads on here we're not happy with him last year, simply not visionaries 

Would you say that to Evatt's face?😁

"Oy, Ian- you neg head, why were you demanding more end product from him?"

[Ani]

29 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Would you say that to Evatt's face?😁

"Oy, Ian- you neg head, why were you demanding more end product from him?"

Evatt seemed to keep playing him and getting him back this season implies like most sensible people could see he was quality. 

[JimmyRiddle]

Bit more than just the money will need to be considered though, we also need to show we are not hampering progression to entice the next Dapo using this operating model.

As it happens I can't see him going anywhere if we're in with a chance of going up unless silly silly money offered.

I imagine he is similar to Evatt in he probably thinks he can reach his shorter term ambitions with us.

[Jol_BWFC]

 

2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

What price would folk be happy with if we lost him in January? 10m? 😁

 

1 hour ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Think I would want quite a lot more than £10m given some of the amounts thrown around on shite these days.

But this is BWFC so it probably won't top £4m

 

 

I found this interesting (if the link works) - top league 1 transfer values. Only 8 transfers above £5m. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transferrekorde/wettbewerb/GB3/saison_id/alle/land_id//ausrichtung//spielerposition_id//altersklasse//leihe//w_s//zuab/0

[Dr. Feelgood]

2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

What price would folk be happy with if we lost him in January? 10m? 😁

I'm astonished at some of the money the Premiership clubs chuck around for very untested players.

If we're there or theteabouts we should keep him ... certainly not sell to a Chpionship club, who we have fair expectations of joining next season, or, at worst, the season after.

If a good Premiership club comes in, with a £25m+ offer we owe it to him & to our club's development, to look at that.

[Jol_BWFC]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I'm astonished at some of the money the Premiership clubs chuck around for very untested players.

If we're there or theteabouts we should keep him ... certainly not sell to a Chpionship club, who we have fair expectations of joining next season, or, at worst, the season after.

If a good Premiership club comes in, with a £25m+ offer we owe it to him & to our club's development, to look at that.

£25m and we’d “have a look”? He’d be frogmarched out the door if anyone came in with a £10m bid.

[Rudy]

1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I'm astonished at some of the money the Premiership clubs chuck around for very untested players.

If we're there or theteabouts we should keep him ... certainly not sell to a Chpionship club, who we have fair expectations of joining next season, or, at worst, the season after.

If a good Premiership club comes in, with a £25m+ offer we owe it to him & to our club's development, to look at that.

Value of transfers is represented by 3 things

The market

The money he’s on and  the remainder of his contract

The money the club has invested in him to sell on and not make a loss. 
 

God Knows how much you think he’s been on

 

[Deanu]

Nothing wrong with letting players leave provided the right money comes in for them. Brentford have had to deal with it for a number of years, Peterborough, at a higher level over recent times is Leicester. It just shows that you're being run really well & are having success. It's about using the money you get wisely and scalping exciting talents from beneath you in the pyramid on players who fit the bill

[only1swanny]

He came to us and dropped down knowing he would make a dent in league 1..

Very astute tbh. 

Reckon he'll be gone in January. He's worked hard and tbh deserves to be in the spotlight.  Good luck to him and if he knocks a fair few in on his way .. better for us 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said:

£25m and we’d “have a look”? He’d be frogmarched out the door if anyone came in with a £10m bid.

£4m 

Like the late 90s all over again

[Zico]

Anyway 

He's coming on strong this season but he's never played in L1 before, he's only 7 games in  

He's played more national league games than football league

He won't be going anywhere this season 

And if we go up this season or at least challenge reckon he'll be here next season too

[jmjhb]

He's been at 13 clubs by the age of 23 so he's not afraid of looking for a new challenge. That said he might just feel settled here for perhaps the first time in his career.

Edited September 17, 2021 by jmjhb

[Rudy]

If he goes it’ll be in summer 

No one will have the reddies in Jan

But let’s not get carried away 

[Dr. Feelgood]

3 hours ago, Rudy said:

Value of transfers is represented by 3 things

The market

The money he’s on and  the remainder of his contract

The money the club has invested in him to sell on and not make a loss. 

God Knows how much you think he’s been on

The market ... yep.

The period of contract ahead ... yep.

Why do the other two, his wage & our investment, have the faintest impact of a sale value ?

You, more than anyone, see the lunacy of valuations at Premiership. If that's who comes looking, with 2 years on his contract.

If the Championship come we should push them away.

The other factor is, of course, any release clause.

 

Hey, I'd like him to stay but we shouldn't be a bargain basement for anyone anymore.

[Rudy]

40 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

The market ... yep.

The period of contract ahead ... yep.

Why do the other two, his wage & our investment, have the faintest impact of a sale value ?

You, more than anyone, see the lunacy of valuations at Premiership. If that's who comes looking, with 2 years on his contract.

If the Championship come we should push them away.

The other factor is, of course, any release clause.

 

Hey, I'd like him to stay but we shouldn't be a bargain basement for anyone anymore.

If you invest a million in a player you will want to them at least make that back minus a few different variants otherwise values start to stop affecting the market value which then can devalue other players

His wages come into it because if a club then buys him and he’s on high wages more than likely he’ll get more money, so that then affects the buying clubs budget. 
 

If he’s on £100k a year the buying club have to offer more to entice him. If that takes a significant amount of the budget then the transfer fee will be lower than what the selling club value him at 

[Dr. Feelgood]

59 minutes ago, Rudy said:

If you invest a million in a player you will want to them at least make that back minus a few different variants otherwise values start to stop affecting the market value which then can devalue other players

His wages come into it because if a club then buys him and he’s on high wages more than likely he’ll get more money, so that then affects the buying clubs budget. 
 

If he’s on £100k a year the buying club have to offer more to entice him. If that takes a significant amount of the budget then the transfer fee will be lower than what the selling club value him at 

OK, there's only so much of a pie, but Premiership clubs would eat the extra wage as, in their terms, he'll be on nothing with us.

Our development costs are nowt in real terms.

If a Premiership team sees him as 1st team potential they'll pay surprisingly high. Of course, only 3 months ago a Premiership club wished him well but let him go ... but he's proving them wrong currently.