Afolayan article

[Mantra]

Could see Dapo in the pocket more often from now on. Evatt even saying he could play as a striker.

[BWFC_LOVE]

Wasn’t he classed as a striker when we got him on loan?

It could be that when it was announced people weren’t fully aware of his position mind. 

[woolli]

1 hour ago, Mantra said:

Could see Dapo in the pocket more often from now on. Evatt even saying he could play as a striker.

The problem then is we havent got a threat from wide?, Unless Evatts thinking Ameochi, sorry prob spelt wrong!, that he can fill in as winger for Dapo? It cant be Kachunga!

[Zico]

1 hour ago, woolli said:

The problem then is we havent got a threat from wide?, Unless Evatts thinking Ameochi, sorry prob spelt wrong!, that he can fill in as winger for Dapo? It cant be Kachunga!

got to be looking at bringing Politic back

[Mantra]

4 hours ago, woolli said:

The problem then is we havent got a threat from wide?, Unless Evatts thinking Ameochi, sorry prob spelt wrong!, that he can fill in as winger for Dapo? It cant be Kachunga!

Think it will have to be Kachunga to be honest at least until Amaechi or Politic are back. But Evatt will have to weigh up whether Dapo playing through the middle helps the team more than Kachunga hinders the team playing on the left.

Plus Evatt says in that article, how he likes playing with two "eights" but is happy to have Dapo at 10 with a double pivot behind him. Meaning more defensive responsibility for whoever partners with MJ, which I think he needs.

I'd rather have Dapo in the middle where he can be most influential and go in any direction. The touchline is acting like an extra defender when he's on the left as he can't run into that space, he only has one direction to dribble so he's limited to cutting inside more often than not which gets predictable, and if the opposition double up on him, he's not got anywhere to go.

If he's played through the middle and teams double up on him, then they leave spaces on the wings, which might bring out the best in Kachunga or whoever plays out wide.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Mantra

[Burndens Bogs]

3 hours ago, Mantra said:

If he's played through the middle and teams double up on him, then they leave spaces on the wings, which might bring out the best in Kachunga or whoever plays out wide.

It won’t, trust me.

Willing enough, but looks like a shit Jardel on acid & roller skates.

[Steejay]

4 hours ago, Mantra said:

Think it will have to be Kachunga to be honest at least until Amaechi or Politic are back. But Evatt will have to weigh up whether Dapo playing through the middle helps the team more than Kachunga hinders the team playing on the left.

Plus Evatt says in that article, how he likes playing with two "eights" but is happy to have Dapo at 10 with a double pivot behind him. Meaning more defensive responsibility for whoever partners with MJ, which I think he needs.

I'd rather have Dapo in the middle where he can be most influential and go in any direction. The touchline is acting like an extra defender when he's on the left as he can't run into that space, he only has one direction to dribble so he's limited to cutting inside more often than not which gets predictable, and if the opposition double up on him, he's not got anywhere to go.

If he's played through the middle and teams double up on him, then they leave spaces on the wings, which might bring out the best in Kachunga or whoever plays out wide.

Fuckin ell, Mantra, we saw the best of Kachunga at Lincoln and that’s been it.

 I proper trust Evatt but Kachunga is his blindest spot since Crellin.

He really wants it to work out for him but unfortunately he’s shite. 💩

[Casino]

I've not given up on him yet

Definitely needs a goal

But he's not the only one

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Mantra said:

Think it will have to be Kachunga to be honest at least until Amaechi or Politic are back. But Evatt will have to weigh up whether Dapo playing through the middle helps the team more than Kachunga hinders the team playing on the left.

Plus Evatt says in that article, how he likes playing with two "eights" but is happy to have Dapo at 10 with a double pivot behind him. Meaning more defensive responsibility for whoever partners with MJ, which I think he needs.

I'd rather have Dapo in the middle where he can be most influential and go in any direction. The touchline is acting like an extra defender when he's on the left as he can't run into that space, he only has one direction to dribble so he's limited to cutting inside more often than not which gets predictable, and if the opposition double up on him, he's not got anywhere to go.

If he's played through the middle and teams double up on him, then they leave spaces on the wings, which might bring out the best in Kachunga or whoever plays out wide.

Or a new shape?

 

[Rudy]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

I've not given up on him yet

Definitely needs a goal

But he's not the only one

He needs to at least pull the trigger, if he’s going to square it to Doyle then the pass has to be bang on, but has to shoot across the keeper and maybe Doyle will follow in. 

[deane koontz]

Lad seems bereft of confidence and shit scared of taking a chance at something. Some conviction wouldn't go amiss even if he hits the corner flag. Very much a player in a shell at the moment. 

[masi 51]

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Edited October 29, 2021 by masi 51

[deane koontz]

10 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

worst player to have played in the premier league since Souness played Samual eto so called cousin

Sickening

[Dr. Feelgood]

23 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

worst player to have played in the premier league since Souness played Samual eto so called cousin

George Weah's cousin, Ali Dia.

Souness claims he knew who was hopeless, which makes it worse tbh.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/11980435/graeme-souness-reveals-untold-story-of-southampton-misfit-ali-dia-we-knew-he-was-hopeless

 

But Kachunga played 117 league games at Huddersfield at Championship and Premiership. 27 with a strugling Shew Wed. However low his confidence or fitness, he IS a footballer with a decent pedigree. Certainly capable of playing for us 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

George Weah's cousin, Ali Dia.

Souness claims he knew who was hopeless, which makes it worse tbh.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/11980435/graeme-souness-reveals-untold-story-of-southampton-misfit-ali-dia-we-knew-he-was-hopeless

 

But Kachunga played 117 league games at Huddersfield at Championship and Premiership. 27 with a strugling Shew Wed. However low his confidence or fitness, he IS a footballer with a decent pedigree. Certainly capable of playing for us 

He should be capable, but he isn't showing it.

How long does Evatt persist with him?

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, masi 51 said:

worst player to have played in the premier league since Souness played Samual eto so called cousin

Parallels with Delfouneso, who's only 1 year older so not exactly a veteran.  Both have played loads of championship games as well as plenty in the Prem, its hard to believe.  Difficult to judge who would be least bad for us in the short term.  If I had to put my house on one of them scoring occasionally it would be Delf, he occasionally looks like he knows where the goal is especially with headers, Kachunga can be tidy in possession but doesn't look interested in scoring. 

[FrancisFogarty]

We're not as bereft of talent as we used to be, so he's not getting the game time he needs. We, as a team are not making enough scoring chances at the moment. I'd like to see us getting more shots in, especially making the keeper make a save.

[Mantra]

18 hours ago, Steejay said:

Fuckin ell, Mantra, we saw the best of Kachunga at Lincoln and that’s been it.

 I proper trust Evatt but Kachunga is his blindest spot since Crellin.

He really wants it to work out for him but unfortunately he’s shite. 💩

I agree he’s been shite and I’ve been frustrated watching him play as anyone else so it’s easy to conclude he will continue to be shite forever.

Not sure he’s been a blind spot for Evatt, he’s not had much choice with Bakayoko and Amaechi being injured.

Not going to disagree with anyone calling him shite because his performances haven’t been good enough for someone with Championship and even PL experience. Just hope he can turn it around and can see him becoming a scapegoat for us.

[Mantra]

10 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Or a new shape?

 

Wouldn’t complain about that but think Evatt will stick with either 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 unless our form continues to stall.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Parallels with Delfouneso, who's only 1 year older so not exactly a veteran.  Both have played loads of championship games as well as plenty in the Prem, its hard to believe.  Difficult to judge who would be least bad for us in the short term.  If I had to put my house on one of them scoring occasionally it would be Delf, he occasionally looks like he knows where the goal is especially with headers, Kachunga can be tidy in possession but doesn't look interested in scoring. 

I’m sure he’s interested in scoring

[Casino]

5 hours ago, deane koontz said:

Lad seems bereft of confidence and shit scared of taking a chance at something. Some conviction wouldn't go amiss even if he hits the corner flag. Very much a player in a shell at the moment. 

Pretty sure he had 2 saved last saturday

One a pretty decent 20 yarder

Maybe hes getting there

We dont have options galore

[deane koontz]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

Pretty sure he had 2 saved last saturday

One a pretty decent 20 yarder

Maybe hes getting there

We dont have options galore

Hopefully. There's definitely a player there.

[desperado]

37 minutes ago, Casino said:

Pretty sure he had 2 saved last saturday

One a pretty decent 20 yarder

Maybe hes getting there

We dont have options galore

I’ll be amazed if Kachunga doesn’t start Saturday. Like you say there’s not many options at the moment.

While I’m in agreement with some of the doubters in that he’s either not showing what he’s capable of consistently, he’s lacking confidence or ability wise he’s not got what we require, I’d still say it’s too early to write him off.

The key reason people seem to be overlooking as to why we shouldn’t be writing him off is that IE is still picking him in his starting 11.

This isn’t a “blind Crellin moment” - at the time with Crellin we didn’t have a replacement (Gilks wasn’t fit at the time and eventually had to be rushed into fitness to start)

While options are limited he could start Delf, he could start Isgrove there and bring in a defensive right back, but he’s chosen Kachunga

I got a lot of stick last year backing Evatt on decisions which were being  mocked by others; Santos, looking good in training and persisting with playing from the back, why can’t this be another one we back him on?

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, desperado said:

I’ll be amazed if Kachunga doesn’t start Saturday. Like you say there’s not many options at the moment.

While I’m in agreement with some of the doubters in that he’s either not showing what he’s capable of consistently, he’s lacking confidence or ability wise he’s not got what we require, I’d still say it’s too early to write him off.

The key reason people seem to be overlooking as to why we shouldn’t be writing him off is that IE is still picking him in his starting 11.

This isn’t a “blind Crellin moment” - at the time with Crellin we didn’t have a replacement (Gilks wasn’t fit at the time and eventually had to be rushed into fitness to start)

While options are limited he could start Delf, he could start Isgrove there and bring in a defensive right back, but he’s chosen Kachunga

I got a lot of stick last year backing Evatt on decisions which were being  mocked by others; Santos, looking good in training and persisting with playing from the back, why can’t this be another one we back him on?

Just for discussion, and not necessarily disagreeing but giving the other point of view: I know he's made a few starts recently but isn't he just getting in while there are injuries.  I'm guessing he's behind Isgrove when Jones is fit, and also Bakayoko.  No disgrace in that, but I think when he signed we expected him to be a main player given our lack of other strikers.  

For all IEs decisions that nobody can argue with eg MJ, Dapo, Lee, John, Johnstone it would be very kind to think he doesn't get any wrong.  I don't want to go over old ground, but it only takes a look at some of the pre-Christmas line ups/formations to know he's not beyond reproach.  Why should he be, he's a league one manager, they all make mistakes, errors of judgement, its not a crime.  But it doesn't stop us debating them and offering an opinion on individual choices.  It doesn't mean we don't trust him overall, he's earned that. 

[desperado]

16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

isn't he just getting in while there are injuries.  I'm guessing he's behind Isgrove when Jones is fit

Good post offering an alternative perspective. 

I agree that without injuries he wouldn’t be starting.

IE must be seeing in training some of the potential he’s demonstrated at a higher level. 

Players like Kachunga and Doyle look confidence players, maybe a goal for either/both of them would be the impetus they need to go on and improve. But I must admit the jury is out and if neither of them have improved by January then IE will have some decisions to make.