Fleetwood (A)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, Traf said:

Just unbelievably poor tonight.

All of them including the manager. 1-0 needing a goal, replace a striker with a defender and lose 3-0.

Bravo, you arrogant cunt.

And don't get me started on Dapo, who has believed his own press too much.

I'm not sure that keeping only one centre half on would have been the right move, but taking off your only centre forward is odd.

Anyway, bigger picture is the apparent lack of effort, lack of confidence, and lack of pragmatism and basics. 

I'm not an Evatt out person, but equally he has questions to answer.

You can try to play the best football we've seen for years, but if it becomes toothless, and mire worryingly gutless, then things aren't exactly right.

[Smiley]

It was tricky conditions. That’s all there is to it.

On another night, Doyle’s not offside for the equaliser. One or two of our corners beat the first man and Santos buries a header into the net. We take our chances just after half time. And the effect of throwing on Amaechi gives us even more attacking threat. Santos only gets a yellow for a slide tackle. And we run out 4-1 winners. Happy days. And we are all clapping on the way home.

[Mantra]

8 minutes ago, captainmed said:

We surely must be approaching a club record.

That is now 5 consecutive league away games without scoring a goal and lost them all. 

The same lack of effort, pride and fight on Saturday and it will turn ugly. 

IE, take a good honest hard look at yourself. Stop talking and start doing. 

Last night was embarrassing beyond belief and it’s now becoming a common occurrence, especially away from home. 

Perhaps the happy clappers may now admit that perhaps, maybe, possibly we do have one or two problems after all. 

You can’t defend the defenceless.

Dont think anyone is denying we have problems. Evatt and the squad are not performing to the levels they should be doing.

These individual results like Wigan, Stockport and now Fleetwood are very damaging to our squad mentality and if we have too many more it risks fully derailing our season, even if overall we are mid table in terms of points.

It’s hard to pinpoint whether that lack of fight is coming from the players or lack of motivation from the manager. Think Evatt deserves the chance to try and fix it in January. Some may disagree but for me all that does is add uncertainty.

I can’t blame anyone for having a pop at Evatt even though I think he’s the right man for the job because the fans and club are getting embarrassed by some of these results.

 

[L/H White]

2 minutes ago, Smiley said:

It was tricky conditions. That’s all there is to it.

On another night, Doyle’s not offside for the equaliser. One or two of our corners beat the first man and Santos buries a header into the net. We take our chances just after half time. And the effect of throwing on Amaechi gives us even more attacking threat. Santos only gets a yellow for a slide tackle. And we run out 4-1 winners. Happy days. And we are all clapping on the way home.

they had the wind against them 2nd half, and looked miles better than we did attacking that goal

Edited December 8, 2021 by L/H White

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I'd add that after some decent home results, I'd have expected confidence to be up, and some desire to keep going.

Additionally, when 3 at the back wasn't working but nothing changed, why not at least give Pettifer a go?

It's all well and good saying they're kids and aren't ready, but they're on the bench for just such an eventually. Nothing to lose- give them a go. Who knows, there may be a pit of desire in there to show what they can do.

Dragging them around to just sit there, essentially knowing they won't come on must be soul destroying.

[MickyD]

We could’ve gone 10th last night. Instead, we’re 16th.

[gonzo]

23 minutes ago, Traf said:

PS I've backed Evatt all along, but these are his players, his tactics, his fucking "brand".

He was a centre half, as was his assistant. They brought Sam Hird in who I also think was a defender and yet we can't fucking defend.

Absolutely bang on.

This "brand" doesnt work at places like Fleetwood and Stockport and against teams who will get in our faces.

The players arent good enough to execute the brand againts all opposition. We have to learn to change this so called brand when the going gets tough.

This innovative brand is actually outdated. Teams have learnt how to play against it, just like teams worked out how to bombard city a couple of years ago until they evolved a new way to counter the high press.

That piece of play the other week with us trying to play short tippy tappy bollocks in the middle of a boating lake summed it completely.

It works against Crewe at home on a massive bowling green pitch. Away in the middle of the Irish sea it does not.

The set pieces are an absolute shambles as well. 

Like has been said loads, they simply had more bollocks than us last night. Im not sure how Evatt can instill that without bringing in recruits.

[Traf]

6 minutes ago, Smiley said:

It was tricky conditions. That’s all there is to it.

On another night, Doyle’s not offside for the equaliser. One or two of our corners beat the first man and Santos buries a header into the net. We take our chances just after half time. And the effect of throwing on Amaechi gives us even more attacking threat. Santos only gets a yellow for a slide tackle. And we run out 4-1 winners. Happy days. And we are all clapping on the way home.

On another night, they take one or more of the three/four good chances they had at 1-0.

[Traf]

Just now, gonzo said:

Absolutely bang on.

This "brand" doesnt work at places like Fleetwood and Stockport and against teams who will get in our faces.

The players arent good enough to execute the brand againts all opposition. We have to learn to change this so called brand when the going gets tough.

This innovative brand is actually outdated. Teams have learnt how to play against it, just like teams worked out how to bombard city a couple of years ago until they evolved a new way to counter the high press.

That piece of play the other week with us trying to play short tippy tappy bollocks in the middle of a boating lake summed it completely.

It works against Crewe at home on a massive bowling green pitch. Away in the middle of the Irish sea it does not.

The set pieces are an absolute shambles as well. 

Like has been said loads, they simply had more bollocks than us last night. Im not sure how Evatt can instill that without bringing in recruits.

Everyone in this league knows we're weak and that we're dreadfully short at right back. Everytime they got the ball last night in the first half, they knocked it long down their left to get in behind Gordon, who was that far away from being in the RB position that he probably had to pay to get back in the ground.

[Cheese]

4 hours ago, BOWTUN BAKED said:

Let the big boys talk without  chirping eh?

I'll post whenever and whatever I want, Big Boy. 👍

[radcliffe white]

Both teams had to play in that weather

we can’t use the conditions 

[desperado]

48 minutes ago, captainmed said:

Perhaps the happy clappers may now admit that perhaps, maybe, possibly we do have one or two problems after all. 

Who are these happy clappers?

If you mean me, as I’m probably the one who has debated most against the criticism, then I think you are misguided. 

I haven’t (and I haven’t seen anyone else) say there aren’t any problems and that what I saw last night was acceptable. 

The Large majority, quite rightly, are very critical of last night’s performance. All I’ve tried to do is offer a rationale and a context.

[Whitesince63]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

We were toothless at wycombe but no shortage of effort

Crewe and Doncaster were rolled over

Cheltenham showed loads of fight

Losing bodies at every turn

I'll repeat we have a happy camp

Sorry Casino but we didn’t roll Crewe and Donny over, we should have been one down early against Crewe after Baps terrible pass across the box and Donny should have been 3 up before we scored. We just can’t keep overlooking the inadequacies in the side and putting it down to injuries and bad luck. 
 

Everybody, except Evatt it seems, recognised we needed another striker last summer to be competitive yet he denied it and this season since the start, it’s obvious we did. Our defence is atrocious and I honestly can’t ever remember it being so poor and vulnerable. Evatt is supposed to be an expert on defence yet he’s never sorted it out properly and nothing changes. As far as set pieces are concerned, again we’ve been hopeless since last season and still are. Why has this not been resolved? We’ve scored one goal from a free kick round the box and never even threatened again. We don’t shoot enough when in position, rather making another pass instead, yet we have numerous players who can shoot and through both John, Kacha and Dapo have done on the few occasions we do.

These things aren’t improving so what do they do in training. Last night we had players of much higher pedigree than Fleetwood but were completely out played. Continually making excuses for Evatt about embargo’s and recruitment are wearing thin now because one way or the other he’s done a good job but it’s not showing. Even claiming the football is better than it was under Parky is a stretch because almost anything would look better than his hoof ball. It’s not good enough and that’s down to Evatt whether people accept it or not. Yes, give him the transfer window to improve things and if he does, great but he should now be on notice that if he doesn’t quickly improve both results and performances, he’s down the road.

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

I'm not arsed where they celebrate and how if it's within the rules.

Let's not let this detract from the real issue, which is that we've got rolled over once again without putting up a fight. I don't care how many injuries we've got, every team has them. We've got so called professional footballers going through the motions here with no professional pride. Last night's performance was spineless.

We can't defend, end of.
We create very little, if truth be told.
What we create gets wasted.
Our set pieces are awful
We get outfought on a regular basis.

See you all at Accy xx

This 100%

[captainmed]

2 minutes ago, desperado said:

Who are these happy clappers?

If you mean me, as I’m probably the one who has debated most against the criticism, then I think you are misguided. 

I haven’t (and I haven’t seen anyone else) say there aren’t any problems and that what I saw last night was acceptable. 

The Large majority, quite rightly, are very critical of last night’s performance. All I’ve tried to do is offer a rationale and a context.

I don’t mean you specifically, it’s a general comment.

People have been making excuses for our current run or form, performances and overall inadequacy.

Over emphasising two wins at home to relegation certainties.

Getting excited about a home draw to bloody Cheltenham, who btw lost 5-0 at home to Cambridge last night!!!!

Our points total since the home win over Shrewsbury is relegation form. That’s a FACT.

Embarrassed by a Non-league team in the FA Cup too.

 

[desperado]

3 minutes ago, captainmed said:

Over emphasising two wins at home to relegation certainties.

Fair play 

The comment above I agree with. I think we can go both ways too quickly- too quick to believe we are better than what we are.

And too quick to right off the players and the manager when things aren’t going well.

[Rudy]

How far we’ve come in 12 months is remarkable 

Mid table after a promotion would be a good season, so expectations should be curbed. 
However the performances recently haven’t been good enough for what we are capable of but we have lost key players, it’s not excusing it, it’s just where we are. 
January needs to come round but we have a good number of games between now and then.

No point falling out as fans, or pointing the finger at IE or the board for gods sake.

IE deserves our patience after what he achieved last season. 
He ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. So we need to accept where we are and ride the storm for the time being. 
 

If that makes me a happy clapper then great. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Rudy

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, Smiley said:

On another night, one or two of our corners beat the first man and Santos buries a header into the net. 

That's just crazy talk.

[Whitesince63]

10 minutes ago, Rudy said:

How far we’ve come in 12 months is remarkable 

Mid table after a promotion would be a good season, so expectations should be curbed. 
However the performances recently haven’t been good enough for what we are capable of but we have lost key players, it’s not excusing it, it’s just where we are. 
January needs to come round but we have a good number of games between now and then.

No point falling out as fans, or pointing the finger at IE or the board for gods sake.

IE deserves our patience after what he achieved last season. 
He ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. So we need to accept where we are and ride the storm for the time being. 
 

If that makes me a happy clapper then great. 

Great post Rudy and puts it in perspective. I think everybody realises this and genuinely wants IE to succeed but the frustration really bites when the same failings happen again and again. Hopefully the board will back him in January and he can bring in the necessary players to take us another step further along the road back up. None of this makes you a happy clapper 😉

[Lostock Whites]

My general feeling so far this season is that it has been quite poor and has been disappointing. I know we are a newly promoted side and have had no luck with injuries at all.

But matches like last night, 0 2 loss to Rotherham at home, 0-4 home hammering and penalty shoot out loss to the Pie eaters. Sarcevic malarkey, 5-3 embarrassment to Stockport on TV. 

With context, we've had a real rough season so far, despite this the support has been magnificent. Countless sold out away crowds, 16k average attendance with 2 21k crowds. And also, we are still 16th, so its not a disaster. However with all this taken into account I can completely understand the negativity at the moment. 

For me, I 100% back Evatt, hes got the right philosophy and ambition to bring us back where we should be. But there's so much work that needs to be done. First of all, the attitude needs addressing, we are probably the softest team in the division and we get bullied by teams constantly.

If we combine our possession style of football, with being a bunch of hard bastards that press together, foul, be aggressive, we will be a very hard team to beat. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Lostock Whites

[Rudy]

Just now, Whitesince63 said:

Great post Rudy and puts it in perspective. I think everybody realises this and genuinely wants IE to succeed but the frustration really bites when the same failings happen again and again. Hopefully the board will back him in January and he can bring in the necessary players to take us another step further along the road back up. None of this makes you a happy clapper 😉

I got caught up in and thought yeah we’ll be in the mix come the end of the season and we may be, but I’ll take a mid table finish and some stability. 
 

Id rather take midtable than go up before we’re ready and come back down with a thud. Tough tough league the championship 

[Traf]

I never for one minute expected us to be challenging at the top end. I expected us to be where we are (3rd quarter of the league), so on that score I have no issues.

I'm pissed off because we look like a soft touch, we've no fight in us and we constantly get the basics wrong. When we got to the PL under Allardyce, everything and everyone had to count every game, set pieces became so important. I haven't seen a team in this division look worse than us off set plays yet.

[gonzo]

Remember folks its allowed to call the manager out and the teams performance without wanting the manager sacked.

We all know where weve been and we all know the level we are at what level the players are at.

 

[deane koontz]

Chill out and eat some mince pies

[Carlos]

Doyle is phoning it in. I'd loan him out to Div 2, his level.