Football Ventures

[Wanderlust]

I'm just not keen on standing. Now if they introduced sofas.....

[bwfc2003]

Can you sit in the safe standing areas - didnt notice how it worked at Derby as we were in the front section - and rat-arsed!!!

[FrancisFogarty]

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

I'm just not keen on standing. Now if they introduced sofas.....

I'm in negotiations with Neil to get my Row Z seat converted to a chaise longue for next season. See what happens.

Edited March 20, 2024 by FrancisFogarty

[Traf]

42 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said:

I'm in negotiations with Neil to get my Row Z seat converted to a chaise longue for next season. See what happens.

If you get that, I want the same.

[FrancisFogarty]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

If you get that, I want the same.

I don't think they do doubles. 

[Traf]

36 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said:

I don't think they do doubles. 

[desperado]

5 hours ago, bwfc2003 said:

Can you sit in the safe standing areas - didnt notice how it worked at Derby as we were in the front section - and rat-arsed!!!

Well you can… but you wouldn’t see anything! 🤣

[bwfc2003]

10 minutes ago, desperado said:

Well you can… but you wouldn’t see anything! 🤣

being an old bastard i like perching my arse every so often

[stevieb]

West upper. They're all dying off now. Least impact to existing fans 

In all seriousness I'd have been all over this back when I was 20. Now I'm knocking on 40 and can't be arsed going let alone watching the match the idea of standing up all game leaves me cold. 

It's a young man's game.

It's got to be nob head corner or nowhere in my opinion 

[Casino]

6 hours ago, bwfc2003 said:

Can you sit in the safe standing areas - didnt notice how it worked at Derby as we were in the front section - and rat-arsed!!!

Alexandra pre match?

 

[bwfc2003]

16 hours ago, Casino said:

Alexandra pre match?

 

Yes - good pub - good ale - good bar staff - especially the really friendly barmaid!! Much better than the miserable t**t of a landlord next door at the Brunswick

[Casino]

1 hour ago, bwfc2003 said:

Yes - good pub - good ale - good bar staff - especially the really friendly barmaid!! Much better than the miserable t**t of a landlord next door at the Brunswick

dark haired one?

some very nice beers, never been in before

you in the 'lounge' in the corner?

[SatanGreavsie]

20 hours ago, desperado said:

Well you can… but you wouldn’t see anything! 🤣

Yeh, which would have been the case anyhow without safe standing. But unless I missed it there was nothing on the site when ordering to say it was a standing area? As an old cunt the rails did make it passable but in normal circumstances I'd not be best chuffed doing it for the whole game - though being a lanky cunt the sitting on the edge of the upturned seat usually works OK.

Oddly, safe standing went down the shitter anyhow when stewards (in their hordes) gave up trying to get people to seats and allowed the aisles to be rammed with standers.

Must have cost a bob or two to put them rails in.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24201330.bolton-wanderers-ceo-clubs-funding-plans-future/

 

[Eddie]

12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24201330.bolton-wanderers-ceo-clubs-funding-plans-future/

 

Pretty stark reading that. Not in terms of our financial stability, there are clearly plans in place and funding secured / identified, but just football in general (which is not really a surprise to be fair).

We’ve got owners and Management that have a lot of business acumen, they have plans in place for us to become self-sustainable, they have managed to double considerable chunks of our revenue streams, we’re one of the biggest clubs in the league and therefore footballing revenues will reflect that, and despite all that we can’t break even.

The key reason will be player wages and running costs of the stadium, so what do you do? Reduce the wage bill which likely means a worse team and therefore accepting you won’t likely get promoted (which then has a knock on negative impact on revenue and becomes a vicious circle) or you have a smaller stadium, which isn’t a possibility, but if it was would also mean lower revenue generation both in the current league and ability to maximise revenue if you were to get promoted.

It’s a completely broken industry and is wholly reliant on supplementing your trading revenue with profit on player sales (which is easier said than done) or being propped up by your owner. I suppose as long as there are enough people that want to fund the losses of a club in the hope they can get it to the Prem and cash out for profit then it will carry on, it just goes against any other normal industry.

[Biggish Dave]

6 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Pretty stark reading that. Not in terms of our financial stability, there are clearly plans in place and funding secured / identified, but just football in general (which is not really a surprise to be fair).

We’ve got owners and Management that have a lot of business acumen, they have plans in place for us to become self-sustainable, they have managed to double considerable chunks of our revenue streams, we’re one of the biggest clubs in the league and therefore footballing revenues will reflect that, and despite all that we can’t break even.

The key reason will be player wages and running costs of the stadium, so what do you do? Reduce the wage bill which likely means a worse team and therefore accepting you won’t likely get promoted (which then has a knock on negative impact on revenue and becomes a vicious circle) or you have a smaller stadium, which isn’t a possibility, but if it was would also mean lower revenue generation both in the current league and ability to maximise revenue if you were to get promoted.

It’s a completely broken industry and is wholly reliant on supplementing your trading revenue with profit on player sales (which is easier said than done) or being propped up by your owner. I suppose as long as there are enough people that want to fund the losses of a club in the hope they can get it to the Prem and cash out for profit then it will carry on, it just goes against any other normal industry.

I think part of the model they are working on/hoping to work on, is in tandem with these analytics people.

If we fail to go up, wouldn't surprise me if we sold Santos, promoted Forrester to a more prominent role and looked to pick up another Forrester to improve.

Thomason similar - sell him on and look for a 20 year old L2 version etc.

It's probably always been the plan to pay smallish fees for players eventually then aim to sell them on for millions. 

Takes time but can be done with excellent scouting

[Manchester_whites]

13 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Pretty stark reading that. Not in terms of our financial stability, there are clearly plans in place and funding secured / identified, but just football in general (which is not really a surprise to be fair).

We’ve got owners and Management that have a lot of business acumen, they have plans in place for us to become self-sustainable, they have managed to double considerable chunks of our revenue streams, we’re one of the biggest clubs in the league and therefore footballing revenues will reflect that, and despite all that we can’t break even.

The key reason will be player wages and running costs of the stadium, so what do you do? Reduce the wage bill which likely means a worse team and therefore accepting you won’t likely get promoted (which then has a knock on negative impact on revenue and becomes a vicious circle) or you have a smaller stadium, which isn’t a possibility, but if it was would also mean lower revenue generation both in the current league and ability to maximise revenue if you were to get promoted.

It’s a completely broken industry and is wholly reliant on supplementing your trading revenue with profit on player sales (which is easier said than done) or being propped up by your owner. I suppose as long as there are enough people that want to fund the losses of a club in the hope they can get it to the Prem and cash out for profit then it will carry on, it just goes against any other normal industry.

A fairer share of the Premier League’s money would help.

[Whitesince63]

47 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

I think part of the model they are working on/hoping to work on, is in tandem with these analytics people.

If we fail to go up, wouldn't surprise me if we sold Santos, promoted Forrester to a more prominent role and looked to pick up another Forrester to improve.

Thomason similar - sell him on and look for a 20 year old L2 version etc.

It's probably always been the plan to pay smallish fees for players eventually then aim to sell them on for millions. 

Takes time but can be done with excellent scouting

The problem is that bigger clubs rarely pay big fees for L1 and L2 players, unproven at a higher level unless they’re obviously exceptional, which very few are. You’re much more likely to get a transformational fee for the likes of George and Rico if you’re n the Championship and they’ve proved themselves against better players. That for me is why it’s essential we get up this year because otherwise I fear we’ll lose our better players for peanuts as we nearly did with George previously.

[Biggish Dave]

17 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

The problem is that bigger clubs rarely pay big fees for L1 and L2 players, unproven at a higher level unless they’re obviously exceptional, which very few are. You’re much more likely to get a transformational fee for the likes of George and Rico if you’re n the Championship and they’ve proved themselves against better players. That for me is why it’s essential we get up this year because otherwise I fear we’ll lose our better players for peanuts as we nearly did with George previously.

Can't argue with that. Look at Wharton going from Rovers to Palace for £19m. Is he really £18m better than GT? Better yes, but not that gulf

[Ros Coe]

On 20/03/2024 at 17:47, FrancisFogarty said:

I'm in negotiations with Neil to get my Row Z seat converted to a chaise longue for next season. See what happens.

Do you sit/stand North Stand Lower right hand corner?

[FrancisFogarty]

27 minutes ago, Ros Coe said:

Do you sit/stand North Stand Lower right hand corner?

Yes, near the NSL/ESL steward.

[Zico]

17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24201330.bolton-wanderers-ceo-clubs-funding-plans-future/

 

"Maybe naively when I came to this club three years ago, I thought we could get it to a sustainable position, but I realise now that it is near-on impossible, financially, it really is"

Which I read as

"when I got interviewed for the job I said I would make this club sustainable in three years.  I've got my performance review coming up. Best start making some noise about how we're not even in the championship yet. I got pink to do a gig, I can't do it all myself"

[Ros Coe]

24 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said:

Yes, near the NSL/ESL steward.

Thought so, I used to sit/stand next to you pre-covid with my bro-in-law 😎

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

"Maybe naively when I came to this club three years ago, I thought we could get it to a sustainable position, but I realise now that it is near-on impossible, financially, it really is"

Which I read as

"when I got interviewed for the job I said I would make this club sustainable in three years.  I've got my performance review coming up. Best start making some noise about how we're not even in the championship yet. I got pink to do a gig, I can't do it all myself"

Can you not just read what he actually said and take it at face value? It's almost as though you're chomping at the bit for us to be financially fucked again.

[Whitesince63]

Well whatever he meant, if a club of our size and stature can’t make ends meet then there’s not much hope for the rest.