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2 hours ago, freds dad said:

Wasn’t it Phil Gartside who wanted a closed shop when we were in the BPL?

Yeah. Disagreed with it at the time. While he was doing his bit for us, it was very wrong

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5 hours ago, freds dad said:

Wasn’t it Phil Gartside who wanted a closed shop when we were in the BPL?

And Sam was the chief exponent of VAR.

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I think IIRC that although it was labelled 'Phil Gartside's proposal/blueprint', he was producing it under the auspices of the FA Board that he was serving on at the time, he wasn't wearing his Bolton Chairmans hat.

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3 minutes ago, Gonk said:

I think IIRC that although it was labelled 'Phil Gartside's proposal/blueprint', he was producing it under the auspices of the FA Board that he was serving on at the time, he wasn't wearing his Bolton Chairmans hat.

I didn't realise that a hat came with the job.

Is it the same hat or do they get to choose their own? I suspect that Phil, Ken & Sharon wil have different tastes to each other.

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7 minutes ago, Traf said:

I didn't realise that a hat came with the job.

Is it the same hat or do they get to choose their own? I suspect that Phil, Ken & Sharon wil have different tastes to each other.

It depends whether Sharon has her hair down & takes her glasses off tbh. Minx.

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22 minutes ago, Gonk said:

I think IIRC that although it was labelled 'Phil Gartside's proposal/blueprint', he was producing it under the auspices of the FA Board that he was serving on at the time, he wasn't wearing his Bolton Chairmans hat.

Seem to recall he was tasked with revamping the Prem but the FA gave certain parameters such as include Celtic and Rangers

It was the best he could come up with and the FA hung him out to dry as the media tore into the plan

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33 minutes ago, Gonk said:

I think IIRC that although it was labelled 'Phil Gartside's proposal/blueprint', he was producing it under the auspices of the FA Board that he was serving on at the time, he wasn't wearing his Bolton Chairmans hat.

Aye, that was the take on it on here back then. he was saying well you could do this, and on the face of it it might solve issues, but then it just raises others.

Looking back 12 years almost to the day, when we finally went down from the Prem at Stoke: at that stage Brentford and Bournemouth both finished mid table L1. They're now in new grounds and are on the back of a good few years in the Prem. Luton finished in the playoffs in Conference (didn't go up) but have now had a Prem season and have a new ground in the offing. In that time we've nose-dived and almost ceased to exist. That's football, that's the beauty of it, albeit sometimes a horrible beauty. Back in May 2012 if you'd have asked most fans who, out of those 4, would have the brighter future for the next decade, I doubt many would have put us bottom of the heap. As Sharon says, that's why you have the pyramid.

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37 minutes ago, Traf said:

I didn't realise that a hat came with the job.

Is it the same hat or do they get to choose their own? I suspect that Phil, Ken & Sharon wil have different tastes to each other.

Poor old Laurence got carried away and picked his out before completing the deal

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19 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Poor old Laurence got carried away and picked his out before completing the deal

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He really doesn't like that picture. The local paper used it and he threatened to sue them, which just made them use it more

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11 hours ago, Eddie said:

The number one fundamental issue with football finance is the lack of security around your revenue (I.e. you can get relegated from the Prem and lose 75% of your revenue from one year to the next), whereas costs (player wages) tend to be on 3+ year contracts and therefore you can’t flex your cost base in line with revenue.

Of course there are ways you can try and reduce the risk like relegation clauses in contracts but they just make you less competitive when trying to attract players, which in turn reduces your chances of staying up and therefore increases your chances of losing that revenue for the next year.

I understand the theory of parachute payments, they are there as a partial protection, essentially softening the blow whilst you try to cut your costs in line with that reduced revenue, but for those with owners that don’t give a fuck about the losses, it just means that can spend even more and make sure they get back to the prem ASAP, leaving everyone else at a huge disadvantage.

I’ve no idea what the alternative is, other than a nationwide clause that’s included in all contracts that upon relegation your wage will decrease in line with revenue, and therefore putting everyone on a level playing field when trying to attract a player. But even that would have all sorts of issues with players being poached on relegation and people finding ways around it.

In short, football finance is fucked. It has been for a long time and will continue to be until something drastic changes it.

You're correct, as I said above parachute payments were necessary to protect clubs.

But as you say, that is more of a reflection on the fucked financial situation. 

The jump in money from championship to Premier League is so great, that it puts promoted sides in a difficult situation. 

That's precisely what Sharon was saying, it's not a sustainable position for many, and maybe that's why more money needs to come down the leagues, to prevent that situation arising, and maybe more controls over a club's spending.

To an extent the situation is the same for us and Oxford- whoever goes up has to  increase their risk to compete, or hope to stay by the skin of their teeth. The latter could then see a drop of revenue and crowds if the team isn't doing well.

Really is awkward. 

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14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

... or hope to stay by the skin of their teeth. The latter could then see a drop of revenue and crowds if the team isn't doing well.

Really is awkward. 

... and the manager, who achieved promotion with them, invariably gets sacked.

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Where did this fckr end up ? 

His last connection with us seemed to involve him chasing after his own paperwork in the wind on Queen's Park

I think he's since tried to arrange a charity boxing match with Simon Jordan

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1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

His last connection with us seemed to involve him chasing after his own paperwork in the wind on Queen's Park

I think he's since tried to arrange a charity boxing match with Simon Jordan

Popped up briefly when Brum were looking for new owners

Probably had their shirt with his name on the back

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4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

His last connection with us seemed to involve him chasing after his own paperwork in the wind on Queen's Park

I think he's since tried to arrange a charity boxing match with Simon Jordan

According to my Watford supporting mate, the Bassini family are very wealthy and successful but he is completely useless

They bought Watford for him out of a sort of sympathy to give him something to do and he fucked it up

Got made bankrupt and changed the spelling of his surname to pretend it wasn't him

Got taken to court over unpaid rent for a flat in Watford

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52 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

... and the manager, who achieved promotion with them, invariably gets sacked.

Fair point.

I'd also ask how many prem clubs actually make any money, despite the amount sloshing about.

It seems the more that goes in, the more goes out on wages and agents.

Got to get more real.

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15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Fair point.

I'd also ask how many prem clubs actually make any money, despite the amount sloshing about.

It seems the more that goes in, the more goes out on wages and agents.

Got to get more real.

Terry Venables, while Chair at Spurs, said he dreaded more Sky money arriving at each negotiation as every penny was targeted by agents.

He said if a club was losing money the proportion of overspend simply remained, just with bigger numbers.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Where did this fckr end up ? 

just had a quick look at his appointments on companies house

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/hy1AaSz-BOVmQgPHW8uIss3LMpw/appointments

set up a load of companies in 2022. They're all basically called Bassini followed by just about any type of business he could think of. My favourite is BASSINI’S SOUP KITCHEN FOR THE HOMELESS AND VULNERABLE PEOPLE LIMITED.

Checked a few of his earlier businesses and they all seem to be dormant or in negative equity.

Think he's mental.

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Going to be an interesting couple of weeks in FV land, all been about togetherness and community so far, but now there are some potentially tough calls to be made.

Personally think they will stick with Evatt but based on the season overall, not just yesterday, there are big calls to make across the squad. 
 

Dion 20 goals after injuries is a decent return, Collins is fine - not sure any of other 4 forwards Bod, CJ, Big Vic and Big Dan would be greatly missed

Midfield , Legohead and Sheehan have contributed, IMO Dempsey massively under used, Paris would not pay a fee for (think we stuck with him when injured yesterday and that was a mistake) Morley given a new contract but hardly plays. Need a leader in there who does not get booked every other game.

At the back.....I would not lose any sleep if any of them left or be too upset if any of them stayed other than Ogbetta. GJ has become better whilst injured but at least can play left side. Santos should not be captain. 
 

Keepers - the two are good enough for the level. 

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