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[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, wakey said:

fixed it for you

I think she might've meant the season before last, when I think our budget was confirmed as fifth biggest

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Wage budget, at least

[tomski]

50 minutes ago, VividDreamer said:

Genuinely confused as to how anyone could want Evatt gone. As I said, more good times than bad, got us playing great football and out scoring majority of the country. Has improved season on season even with a budget now confirmed as only 5/6th biggest. 

How are you genuinely confused?

[VividDreamer]

1 minute ago, tomski said:

How are you genuinely confused?

I went onto explain why..

[wakey]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think she might've meant the season before last, when I think our budget was confirmed as fifth biggest

fair point.

Can't see 4 or 5 with a bigger budget than us last year.

Pompey and Derby maybe, struggling for any others.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, wakey said:

fair point.

Can't see 4 or 5 with a bigger budget than us last year.

Pompey and Derby maybe, struggling for any others.

Posh

Not convinced Pompey would've had a bigger budget

[wakey]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Posh

Not convinced Pompey would've had a bigger budget

thought Posh dramatically cut their costs and went with kids?

[Casino]

I read reading

But maybe not

[tomski]

19 minutes ago, VividDreamer said:

I went onto explain why..

Oh.

[Blondi]

I think we were 3rd in expenditure accordingly to one site, Peterborough, Charlton and then us.

[Steejay]

49 minutes ago, Blondi said:

I think we were 3rd in expenditure accordingly to one site, Peterborough, Charlton and then us.

Charlton spunked £1.4m on a West Ham reserve, and Posh brought in more than they spent.

Stats, stats, stats.

 

[DirtySanchez]

2 hours ago, VividDreamer said:

Genuinely confused as to how anyone could want Evatt gone. As I said, more good times than bad, got us playing great football and out scoring majority of the country. Has improved season on season even with a budget now confirmed as only 5/6th biggest. 

If our budget was fifth or sixth highest, who was above us?

Derby most likely as the like of Hourihan won't come cheap and they had him in the championship so presumably on championship wages 

Mendez Long as well

Maybe the three that came down, particularly Reading 

But wonder how it compares to Oxford's 

Edited June 5 by DirtySanchez

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

 

But wonder how it compares to Oxford's 

Probably higher

But that would put Branagan way off their pay scale

Internet guesses have him on much more than our top earner

[DirtySanchez]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Probably higher

But that would put Branagan way off their pay scale

Internet guesses have him on much more than our top earner

How many spent £750k on a player in January? 

This idea that we are fifth or sixth highest wage players is just a nonsense 

[radcliffe white]

5 hours ago, Casino said:

Probably higher

But that would put Branagan way off their pay scale

Internet guesses have him on much more than our top earner

I heard 15k a week

However many others probably then on very little compared to other clubs

[Roger_Dubuis]

8 hours ago, VividDreamer said:

Genuinely confused as to how anyone could want Evatt gone. 

Because Evatt has lost in the 3rd Division play offs twice.That isn't success for Bolton, it's failure.

If you need reminding of what a well drilled  Bolton  team can achieve under a quality manager watch the latest video on the Youtube thread. Dean Holdsworth scoring a late winner against Liverpool to put Bolton top of the Premier League.Those were the glory days when the club punched above it's weight, losing in the 3rd Division play offs twice is underachieving failure.

[gonzo]

Well I'm glad we've got a steady leader in Sharon to deal with that failure instead of the toys out of the pram, obsessed with the past mongalongs littered all over social media.

I doubt her and the boards decision has been ill-informed and born from blind loyalty.

It's their money, it's their necks on the line and they way more entitled and informed to make the decisions.

There's not a chance they won't have had a little scan across vacant or could be vacant managers. If none are worth ripping up the manual for then we crack on and hope with a couple of signings that work, a few less catastrophic injury lists and a wee bit more tactical nous it could get us over the line.

Despite our obvious failings...we weren't that far away after all.

[Zico]

7 hours ago, Casino said:

Probably higher

But that would put Branagan way off their pay scale

Internet guesses have him on much more than our top earner

 

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

I heard 15k a week

However many others probably then on very little compared to other clubs

I know they got him from Liverpool but it seems a lot and a bit mad they pay one player so much

Especially when you consider he's been there 7 seasons, all in league one on the back of 8+9k attendances

And he's good so surprised he's not been snapped up by a championship team before now 

[gonzo]

Sure they said during the play off semis that Branagan was the second highest earner in the division.

I'd never even heard of him till that semi v posh.

Seems he's turned in prime Viera on the back of 2 good games.

 

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Sure they said during the play off semis that Branagan was the second highest earner in the division.

I'd never even heard of him till that semi v posh.

Seems he's turned in prime Viera on the back of 2 good games.

 

I only know him because he was the subject of the very first post on the transfer gossip thread when linked with us when he was still at Liverpool

[woolli]

9 hours ago, tomski said:

How are you genuinely confused?

The clue is in his name!😉

[TrickyTrotter]

Charlton would have spent more than us last year I would have thought. 

Cue 2 pages of “we should have signed Alfie May” comments.
 

 

 

[desperado]

55 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Well I'm glad we've got a steady leader in Sharon to deal with that failure instead of the toys out of the pram, obsessed with the past mongalongs littered all over social media.

I doubt her and the boards decision has been ill-informed and born from blind loyalty.

It's their money, it's their necks on the line and they way more entitled and informed to make the decisions.

There's not a chance they won't have had a little scan across vacant or could be vacant managers. If none are worth ripping up the manual for then we crack on and hope with a couple of signings that work, a few less catastrophic injury lists and a wee bit more tactical nous it could get us over the line.

Despite our obvious failings...we weren't that far away after all.

Somebody said earlier they are “confused as to how anyone could want Evatt gone”, which even for someone who has backed him and still thinks he’s the right man is too narrow minded.

I suspect most know (hopefully Evatt himself included) what his failings have been and some, understandably, believe those are too great or he’s too stubborn/not good enough to address this. I think most balanced people get this.

But equally those entrenched on the opposite side to me, surely can see, as @gonzo highlights above, that there is a good chance Sharon’s decision to keep Evatt is the right one?

She’s closer to him and the club than any of us are. She’s not been a successful businesswoman by shirking tough decisions. She sees continuity, sustainability, progression and loyalty as key components to success. She talks eloquently about the chaos she sees around her in the upper (and lower) echelons of the football pyramid, her decisions could ensure that these elements are kept well away from our door, we’ve had enough of that over the last 20 years.

She acknowledges she’s a winner, she wants success, she wants championship football, not being there after 5 years is not what she envisioned.

She wants the 15500 ST holders and 35k+ fans who watch us to be rewarded with promotion next year.

Surely we can all put an element of trust in her with the decisions she’s making to get us there?

Edited June 6 by desperado

[SatanGreavsie]

44 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

Despite our obvious failings...we weren't that far away after all.

Well quite. Even in the final, if Santos had got his nut to the ball at the merest different angle on 30  mins they wouldn't have gone one up. Even if they'd have got the other, at 1-0 at half time you'd wonder how we'd have perked up. Maybe could have done it, maybe not - and of course we shouldn't have been in the playoff situation anyway with a bit of consistency. But the fact is you only need a marginal tweak to fate in the last bit of the season and one way or another we'd be up and nobody would be talking about Evatt's immediate future. They'd still be acknowledging his limitations as he stands, and his need to learn - but would be too busy planning the glamour trips to Stoke, Luton, Watford, Millwall and Plymouth to bother with anything else.

Not defending how it ended up, but let's keep some perspective. For all that, though, he will need to prove he can keep the right direction going and move on. If it's lacklustre by mid December then...

But you know what, I do suspect both he and the board are well enough aware of that.

[Whitesince63]

Life’s a learning process in itself and I have no doubts that IE himself learned big time from last season. Whilst I can understand the clamour to change manager I prefer the calm but studious manner Sharon displays and her confidence in Ian for next season and I’m more than happy to back that she’s got it right. With the right player changes this year there’s no reason we can’t be challenging for top two right from the off.