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[Casino]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I have some sympathy especially if the suggestions of clubs abusing the situation were true. 

But those 'suggestions' are just guesswork

Theres no evidence of it

Non whatsoever

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, desperado said:

 

I think both of you make valid points. 

Buy ultimately I’m with@radcliffe white if the majority are back in training and recovered then it needs to go ahead.

That said I hope the fans are realistic enough to accept we won’t have a fully fit and firing squad and against the best side we have played this season (with a confident and fit squad) we are going to find it very difficult.

So yes @Tonge moor green jacket You’re right my expectations of a performance are very low. 

But as a fan I’m happy accept that and I’m looking forward to getting on my travels again 

Therein is a big concern for me.

If we are short of numbers, and some plan that really shouldn't, then that could have knock on effects like injuries. Some Newcastle players took quite a while to get fully fit, and the last thing we need is another glut of crocked players.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

But those 'suggestions' are just guesswork

Theres no evidence of it

Non whatsoever

I agree entirely. I don't belive it neither.

Could be wrong of course, but without evidence, they're nothing but suggestions. 

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

Radcliffes position on this is just like mks on covid restrictions

Who cares about the consequences so long as he can do what he wants

You do talk some rubbish, if you check my posts I’ve consistently said that unless the NHS is under threat we should crack on.. if it’s under threat then we should take the necessary action, you are getting like spider you read a post, ignore the content, then interpret it your way and completely ignore what’s actually been posted. 

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do talk some rubbish, if you check my posts I’ve consistently said that unless the NHS is under threat we should crack on.. if it’s under threat then we should take the necessary action, you are getting like spider you read a post, ignore the content, then interpret it your way and completely ignore what’s actually been posted. 

My Mrs has 7 out of 10 staff off

That suggests 'under threat' 

If that's anything to go off

[desperado]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

I dont think anybody has said otherwise

But radcliffe is going further than that

I didn’t see your post as I was still replying! I was just using his quote as getting the Rotherham game on as something I agree with and want to see.

But very much on the provisos that I made and @Tonge moor green jacket made that we are back to 14 fit/Covid free players. 

If (and this is where @radcliffe whitewill probably disagree) there’s any doubt with our players being fit enough from either injury or Covid then I’ll completely understand if Bolton postpone again.

I’ll be very pissed off as a fan but I’ll understand why they’ve done it.

[Casino]

Fwiw. I expect it will go ahead

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

My Mrs has 7 out of 10 staff off

That suggests 'under threat' 

If that's anything to go off

But your still out mixing in pubs and using trains without masks so you can’t be that bothered 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, radcliffe white said:

But your still out mixing in pubs and using trains without masks so you can’t be that bothered 

A very fair point.

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Casino said:

My Mrs has 7 out of 10 staff off

That suggests 'under threat' 

If that's anything to go off

If NHS is under threat then we should take action, however hospitalisations are 30k lower than last year, ICU beds are nowhere near full, and the government have the numbers of staff off ill and patient to staff ratio, if projections show it’s going to be critical position then action should be taken. On all info available the peak arrives quickly and cases drop sharply so I’m very hopeful the NHS will cope, although there might be pinch points that will need assistance such as your wife’s situation. 

[Casino]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 there might be pinch points that will need assistance such as your wife’s situation. 

As it happens, the remaining 3 could go off and nobody would die

In a hospital setting, folk would be fucked

 

But, just for my entertainment, what would assistance look like?

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

As it happens, the remaining 3 could go off and nobody would die

In a hospital setting, folk would be fucked

 

But, just for my entertainment, what would assistance look like?

Bus in staff in from neighbouring areas or other less stretched units  in the hospital or calling for retired staff to volunteer or even calling in staff from the armed forces or last resort transfer patients to other areas or to private hospitals where there are staff available.  

Edited December 29, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[Rudy]

It’ll be on 

[wanderer1984]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Calling in staff from other less stretched areas, asking for retired staff to volunteer or even calling in staff from the armed forces or last resort transfer patients to other areas or to private hospitals where there are staff available.  

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. My wife is currently looking after patients with mental disorders in a home, mostly aged 20 - 40. She's worked the last 8 day because there isn't any staff available to cover. 11 out of 15 are currently off with covid. She's the manger and does what she can to help but it's exhausting and the people above her don't give a flying fuck.

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. My wife is currently looking after patients with mental disorders in a home, mostly aged 20 - 40. She's worked the last 8 day because there isn't any staff available to cover. 11 out of 15 are currently off with covid. She's the manger and does what she can to help but it's exhausting and the people above her don't give a flying fuck.

I’m not involved in the NHS so as a lay man I take it on board that it doesn’t work like that, but you can’t shut down the economy if there are pinch points and the NHS overall isn’t at crisis point , you’d like to think there was a crisis plan in place for these eventualities.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[wanderer1984]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not involved in the NHS so as a lay man I take it on board that it doesn’t work like that, but you can’t shut down the economy if there are pinch points and the NHS overall isn’t at crisis point , you’d like to think there was a crisis plan in place for these eventualities.

She left the hospital setting 6 months ago after working on cpap since this whole thing started. I can't speak for other nurses but after what she's gone through the last couple of years it's no wonder we now see staff shortages in the NHS. 

I agree with what you're saying. A plan should be in place but I'm not surprised there isn't.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not involved in the NHS so as a lay man I take it on board that it doesn’t work like that, but you can’t shut down the economy if there are pinch points and the NHS overall isn’t at crisis point , you’d like to think there was a crisis plan in place for these eventualities.

There probably is, but if you dont have the qualified staff available, irrespective of overall numbers you're stuffed.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

She left the hospital setting 6 months ago after working on cpap since this whole thing started. I can't speak for other nurses but after what she's gone through the last couple of years it's no wonder we now see staff shortages in the NHS. 

I agree with what you're saying. A plan should be in place but I'm not surprised there isn't.

There are only so many qualified to carry out certain duties though. How do you actually prepare for this, it's pretty unique. You could have thousands extra trained folk, employed elsewhere, but available nonetheless. However you'd then take them away from their normal jobs, and there would still be many of them isolating 

[Mounts Kipper]

48 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

She left the hospital setting 6 months ago after working on cpap since this whole thing started. I can't speak for other nurses but after what she's gone through the last couple of years it's no wonder we now see staff shortages in the NHS. 

I agree with what you're saying. A plan should be in place but I'm not surprised there isn't.

I agree, you couldn’t pay me enough to do the job they do, I’m sure many staff are off because they are burned out, without the dedication they show we’d be stuffed. The government have the figures and if it shows that we need to slow the virus then that’s what we have to do. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[MickyD]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

As it happens, the remaining 3 could go off and nobody would die

In a hospital setting, folk would be fucked

 

But, just for my entertainment, what would assistance look like?

One or two off here would probably.volunteer to do any gynaecology stuff. 

[Traf]

You can buy tickets over the phone up to 3pm Friday.

So I asked them what time they were staying open for people to collect the tickets.

Apparently they close at 3, so it seems that you can buy a ticket at 3, but not be able to collect it unless you're actually stood in the ticket office when you ring them. But you have to ring them, they can't just sell you a ticket at the ticket office.

[radcliffe white]

Who runs that department

utter shambles 

[Leyther_Matt]

Tbf if it’s better than off sale at 2pm, collections until 3pm. Though there again there’s no reason to be closing early on a non-Bank Holiday

Edited December 29, 2021 by Leyther_Matt

[Leyther_Matt]

Might be worth asking if they’ll take your tickets over to Rotherham on K&F and collect at the ground @Traf

[Traf]

6 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Might be worth asking if they’ll take your tickets over to Rotherham on K&F and collect at the ground @Traf

To be honest, I wouldn't trust them not to fuck that up right now.

Getting them before 3 isn't an issue tbh, but they shouldn't be saying they're taking bookings until 3, if they're actually closing at 3.