Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said: they got financial support from the Welsh government their alcohol licence is issued by Flintshire Council their safety certificate is issued by Cheshire Council then that should deem it an English stadium as far as I’m concerned. They've never had any financial support from Wales. The alcohol licence is new news to me. It'd be odd if so as the grounds admin is ALL done as an English club, rates paud to Chester, policed by Cheshire. But I'll take a look. It's been a pain-free matter since the stadium was built there and opened in 1992. Nothing more than a Quiz Question. It's all down to Drakeford, tin-pot Corbyn and father of a jailed nonce that he is. He barely leaves Cardiff & there's no record of him ever visiting Clywd since being First Minister. Wanker of the first order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 Somebody with more time on their hands and better PC skills than I, could flip the ground on a map so that the stadium is in England and the car park is in Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Traf said: It's where I'm at. I refuse to accept there wasn't anywhere in England to build it. Of course there was, but this was built at the bottom end of an industrial and shopping area and very, very close to the old Sealand Road ground. The "is it English or Welsh" debate was done to death at that time and never, ever was it seen as an issue ... until last week. It was built in days when the border wasn't the political football (see what I did there ?) it has been made to be in recent years. Unlike the Scottish border, all the way from Chester to Chepstow it's a dynamic border. 20% of the Welsh population lives within 20 minutes drive of the English border. Enormous numbers of people, from both sides, live, shop, take leisure and work over the border. I crossed it 3 times each way yesterday alone. This is nothing more than a struggling politician trying to make a fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted January 12, 2022 Moderators Share Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Traf said: It's where I'm at. I refuse to accept there wasn't anywhere in England to build it. Last time I went, the area around the ground (carpark) looked like there was enough room to build a new pitch. Probably hindsight and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted January 12, 2022 Moderators Share Posted January 12, 2022 Infact, ignore that. No room. They are a Welsh club 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Horwich said: Infact, ignore that. No room. They are a Welsh club 100% Like Bolton should be renamed Horwich Wanderers I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Of course there was, but this was built at the bottom end of an industrial and shopping area and very, very close to the old Sealand Road ground. The "is it English or Welsh" debate was done to death at that time and never, ever was it seen as an issue ... until last week. It was built in days when the border wasn't the political football (see what I did there ?) it has been made to be in recent years. Unlike the Scottish border, all the way from Chester to Chepstow it's a dynamic border. 20% of the Welsh population lives within 20 minutes drive of the English border. Enormous numbers of people, from both sides, live, shop, take leisure and work over the border. I crossed it 3 times each way yesterday alone. This is nothing more than a struggling politician trying to make a fuss. I get all of that, of course and I'm not saying you're wrong, but... ...you're an English club, playing in ther English league and practically all (but not all, I'd guess) of your fans are English. Due to the financial etc problems, you HAVE to build a new ground. You just wouldn't put 98% in an adjoining country. You wouldn't normally put your new ground over town/county boundaries, never mind a national one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Like Bolton should be renamed Horwich Wanderers I guess. Is Horwich part of Bolton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 PS Can you tell I'm on hold to a supplier this morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Traf said: Cut & paste from Google Maps, I could now get a job at the Bolton News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Traf said: I get all of that, of course and I'm not saying you're wrong, but... ...you're an English club, playing in ther English league and practically all (but not all, I'd guess) of your fans are English. Due to the financial etc problems, you HAVE to build a new ground. You just wouldn't put 98% in an adjoining country. You wouldn't normally put your new ground over town/county boundaries, never mind a national one. I would agree, but it's what happened and was never challenged* and has not been an issue for 30 years. Then some prick wants to make a point. *tbf a bunch of Chester fans back in the day went a bit doolally over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: I would agree, but it's what happened and was never challenged* and has not been an issue for 30 years. Then some prick wants to make a point. *tbf a bunch of Chester fans back in the day went a bit doolally over it. So... ...if there was some opposition to the move and the club still went ahead, there must have been some advantage to them to build it there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeva Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think the council gave them the land as part of the deal when they sold Sealand Road Like our club , an idiot owner took advantage We could have been in the same boat not long ago Hence its now owned by the community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted January 12, 2022 Moderators Share Posted January 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Like Bolton should be renamed Horwich Wanderers I guess. Last time I looked, Horwich was in Bolton 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeva Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, pauldeva said: I think the council gave them the land as part of the deal when they sold Sealand Road Like our club , an idiot owner took advantage We could have been in the same boat not long ago Hence its now owned by the community The ground iis leased from the council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeva Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Traf said: So... ...if there was some opposition to the move and the club still went ahead, there must have been some advantage to them to build it there? Beggars can't be choosers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeva Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Its all political The rules will be changed when the rugby internationals start soon and 80,000 of them watch Wales play A bit of common sense needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, pauldeva said: The rules will be changed when the rugby internationals start soon and 80,000 of them watch Wales play This is certainly true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Traf said: So... ...if there was some opposition to the move and the club still went ahead, there must have been some advantage to them to build it there? Cheap, available land within a mile of their old location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, Horwich said: Last time I looked, Horwich was in Bolton 👀 You asked Horwichers about that recently ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 12, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2022 Remember, the current Chester isn't the one that first moved to the Deva stadium. That club ceased to exist, and when a new club was formed, it was obvious that they would need a ground and a no brainer to lease it from Cheshire Council. Which is interesting, as if its their's to lease, then irrespective of which country part of it lies in, it is owned and managed within England. A ridiculously petty attitude from the Welsh authorities. Wonder what would happen if our lot decided that as English fans can't watch their team play an away match in Wales, then Welsh supporters would be banned from crossing the border too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Ridiculous and petty - sums up wales tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Traf said: Is Horwich part of Bolton? Thought horwich was Lancashire. Bolton’s Manchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 12, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Big E said: Thought horwich was Lancashire. Bolton’s Manchester Like Chester being in England! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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