Injuries

[Tonge moor green jacket]

18 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

It's not as obvious though really. Baxter played on for a match and a bit with an injury that put him out for 2 months. Pain does not always equal injury.

In Boxing, you can see it. Knees gone, or open cuts etc. Players play on with injuries ALL the time. Not many other fans would then pelt their manager for it though

Which again has me wondering about the medical examination he received.

Iirc, he played the next game before being diagnosed.

We also had a bloke playing with a broken bone in his back.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

It could have done. Defenders coming on cold when we're under pressure. Slack off on a set piece, or someone's a yard quicker to the ball than you expected them to be as you're not into it yet.. It can happen. Which is the exact reason you never make a defensive sub on a set piece unless you absolutely have to.

It wasn't like Bristol were just chipping balls in to be headed out. They were coming after us on the deck, round the sides and in the air. 

The decision to keep him on was a gamble of course, but if the captain says "I can carry on", then he carries on

All the more reason to be concerned about a calf injury limiting his ability to defend.

If it was a case of long balls in desperation then his strength may have helped compensate. 

We simply don't know what would have happened had he come off, and it is indeed a gamble either way; but one thing for sure is that a player cannot necessarily be totally sure he's OK. We have head injury protocols now for example to help reduce risks.

[Jol_BWFC]

26 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

It could have done. Defenders coming on cold when we're under pressure. Slack off on a set piece, or someone's a yard quicker to the ball than you expected them to be as you're not into it yet.. It can happen. Which is the exact reason you never make a defensive sub on a set piece unless you absolutely have to.

It wasn't like Bristol were just chipping balls in to be headed out. They were coming after us on the deck, round the sides and in the air. 

The decision to keep him on was a gamble of course, but if the captain says "I can carry on", then he carries on

We agree on the last bit, it was a gamble (and we know the boss loves a flutter 😬)

We’ll find out whether it pays off when we get an update on his injury and we’re all hoping he’s fit for Saturday.

I’m just of the view that with all the muscle injuries we’ve had, I’d rather have played 25 mins against Bristol with Forrester (I think we were 1-0 up at the time) versus the risk of potentially playing multiple games without Santos (including against the league leaders).

Edited April 8, 2024 by Jol_BWFC

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Jol_BWFC said:

We agree on the last bit, it was a gamble (and we know the boss loves a flutter 😬)

We’ll find out whether it pays off when we get an update on his injury and we’re all hoping he’s fit for Saturday.

I’m just of the view that with all the muscle injuries we’ve have, I’d rather have played 25 mins against Bristol with Forrester (I think we were 1-0 up at the time) versus the risk of potentially playing multiple games without Santos (including against the league leaders).

Absolutely, seems obvious. 

If he was so worried, he could have put two defenders on, or an additional midfielder, and removed a striker. Not that that is very likely!

[Wanderlust]

I'm firmly on the camp of Santos being taken off when it first happened but there are too many variables to debate it sensibly including whether or not he would require any less time in rehab had he been taken off when it first happened - staying on might have made the injury no worse than it already was. It is what it is - shit luck.

Thankfully, we have a squad with plenty of depth.

[boltonboris]

I absolutely maintain though, that if Santos says "I'm ok" and Evatt drags him anyway, he'd be getting it both barrels if we'd conceded afterwards.

[Traf]

If the spine of our team is (as I believe it is)

Baxter
Santos
Sheehan
Charles

then Santos is the one we'd miss the least.

We've coped without him before, but have really missed Baxter & Charles and I wouldn't want Sheehan to be unavailable for any game.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

I absolutely maintain though, that if Santos says "I'm ok" and Evatt drags him anyway, he'd be getting it both barrels if we'd conceded afterwards.

He wouldn't if he'd said exactly the same as he has now, but with the added bit that we (him and medical bods) didn't want to risk him.

Fans would understand. 

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Which again has me wondering about the medical examination he received.

Iirc, he played the next game before being diagnosed.

We also had a bloke playing with a broken bone in his back.

To add, I don’t remember seeing Santos receive any medical examination during the game. Which also seems very odd.

Star man goes down with an injury and nobody goes on to assess him…

[Casino]

9 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

To add, I don’t remember seeing Santos receive any medical examination during the game. Which also seems very odd.

Star man goes down with an injury and nobody goes on to assess him…

He went down after being cynically tripped by Martin

Id assumed that was the injury

Which didnt look muscular at the time, so maybe he has been playing with it since his return?

[Jol_BWFC]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

He went down after being cynically tripped by Martin

Id assumed that was the injury

Which didnt look muscular at the time, so maybe he has been playing with it since his return?

Was at the opposite end of the pitch to where we were, so didn’t see exactly what happened - just saw him go down and stay down, holding his leg.

[onefinfrandsen]

Did I imagine it or was santos involved in a free kick we got just outside there box, I am sure it was after he got injured. Collins, Sheehan and then santos got involved with taking it. Felt odd that if the injury was bad that he would get involved.

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Did I imagine it or was santos involved in a free kick we got just outside there box, I am sure it was after he got injured. Collins, Sheehan and then santos got involved with taking it. Felt odd that if the injury was bad that he would get involved.

He was, yes. Maybe he wanted to be on the edge of the box so he didn’t have to jump for a header or run back as far if it broke down 😂

[Casino]

That was the free kick where maghoma was brought down in full flight

the three of em made a right pigs ear of it

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

That was the free kick where maghoma was brought down in full flight

the three of em made a right pigs ear of it

Did that little lay-off, absolutely signposted that they were going to and funnily enough it got charged down - not one of our best set pieces.

I was hoping Collins would have it, I reckon he’s got the technique for those type of situations and we’re hardly inundated with dead ball specialists, but he was never even in the mix.

On dead balls, corners have gone to shit again. May as well have just kicked it out for a goal kick and stop the chance of a counter on Saturday, they were that poor.

[Casino]

Maybe

Interesting stat though, we are 3rd, i think, in goals from corners, set pieces whatever

Hardly 'our corners are fucking shit' material

 

[onefinfrandsen]

40 minutes ago, Casino said:

That was the free kick where maghoma was brought down in full flight

the three of em made a right pigs ear of it

Thought for a split second santos was going to smash it, here on in Collins should be taking pens and free kicks

[Steejay]

31 minutes ago, Casino said:

Maybe

Interesting stat though, we are 3rd, i think, in goals from corners, set pieces whatever

Hardly 'our corners are fucking shit' material

 

Statistics, statistics, statistics.

Everybody knows that we’re not going to score with a header from a corner. 

Folks cheer when we win a corner but it might as well be a goal kick.

We’re shit at corners, full stop.

[Wanderlust]

3 hours ago, Steejay said:

Statistics, statistics, statistics.

Everybody knows that we’re not going to score with a header from a corner. 

Folks cheer when we win a corner but it might as well be a goal kick.

We’re shit at corners, full stop.

Same with Cogley and Ogbeta getting to the byline and putting in high balls to the far post. Just need to drive into the box, maybe get fouled or a shot off, or hit a low ball across the area. League 1 CBs are built for dealing with high balls into the box so why bother?

We seldom score from a headed cross or headed corner - we are at our best when the ball is on the floor, so that's where the deliveries should be.

[bwfc87]

32 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Same with Cogley and Ogbeta getting to the byline and putting in high balls to the far post. Just need to drive into the box, maybe get fouled or a shot off, or hit a low ball across the area. League 1 CBs are built for dealing with high balls into the box so why bother?

We seldom score from a headed cross or headed corner - we are at our best when the ball is on the floor, so that's where the deliveries should be.

Except the same two players that when attempt a cut back/ cross on floor virtually always hit one of the opposition. So frustrating the amount of times we get in those positions and can’t pick one of our own players out.

[Casino]

10 hours ago, Steejay said:

Statistics, statistics, statistics.

Everybody knows that we’re not going to score with a header from a corner. 

Folks cheer when we win a corner but it might as well be a goal kick.

We’re shit at corners, full stop.

Its something like 1 in 50 corners lead to a goal, on average

Just shows the ignorance of football fans that they expect a goal from one

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Its something like 1 in 50 corners lead to a goal, on average

Just shows the ignorance of football fans that they expect a goal from one

geddit in the fuckin mixer

[gonzo]

Bring back the postman.

[L/H White]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

Its something like 1 in 50 corners lead to a goal, on average

Just shows the ignorance of football fans that they expect a goal from one

that stat is completely meaningless if you fail to beat the first man time n time again, at least give someone a chance of getting on the end of a decent corner 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I wonder what our rate of scoring from corners is.

We do seem to get quite a few, in particular as a number of our crosses seem to be cut out.

In terms of numbers of goals, we seem to have a decent number from set pieces, so can't grumble. Just wonder if it is the most efficient way of capitalising on our approach play.