Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 20, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rudy said: Still think we need to strengthen in the middle. If he’s out no one else can do that role as it stands. Plus everyone needs that competition. That then becomes the management team's job to compensate- which for me they have done to an extent with Morley. Couple the latter with a more defensive/physical player like Dempsey and we're OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Powder puff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Traf said: Powder puff Yes please 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embankment Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 13 hours ago, desperado said: He’s having a very good end to the season. In this form he’ll still have a big part to play next season. Back on form recently. First on the team sheet for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, embankment said: Back on form recently. First on the team sheet for me. Let's not overlook that he got worse Covid & it was longer lasting than normal. That takes its toll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Been superb last 2 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 He's definitely improved, but 'superb' is pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted April 21, 2022 Moderators Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, DazBob said: He's definitely improved, but 'superb' is pushing it. Let it go You tried to hound him out and it's not worked Move on to Kachunga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Zico said: Let it go You tried to hound him out and it's not worked Move on to Kachunga Yeah. I thought he’d learnt after JDB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 MJ Williams is a good solid League 1 player. Blackpool flogged him on to us in the process of getting promoted out of League 1 - that says a lot about where his level is. In my opinion we need another holding midfielder and preferably an upgrade on MJ, while keeping the lad around for the remainder of his deal as the 'competition' for that slot. We have a number of good solid League 1 players - Will Aimson, Lloyd Isgrove and (nowadays) Alex Baptiste are others. Nothing against them but there's no room for sentiment if we really want to push on. Rioch shed folk like Storer, Philliskirk, Reeves, Came from our 92/3 promotion squad, it's just the same process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 8 hours ago, tomski said: Yeah. I thought he’d learnt after JDB. Ha, cruel. I hold my hands up after that snap judgement, I couldn't have been more wrong. Bit like you and Sadlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, DazBob said: Ha, cruel. I hold my hands up after that snap judgement, I couldn't have been more wrong. Bit like you and Sadlier. I’ll own that. He wore a jumper under his shirt. I need no more evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 56 minutes ago, tomski said: I’ll own that. He wore a jumper under his shirt. I need no more evidence. Was it salmon coloured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted April 22, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said: Was it salmon coloured? More of a pink, I’d say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 22, 2022 Members Share Posted April 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, Steejay said: More of a pink, I’d say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Rudy said: Nice touch that he’s wearing a pink shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Was it salmon coloured? Only real men can pull off salmon Edited April 22, 2022 by tomski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 22, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, tomski said: Only real men can pull off salmon Is that a bit like tickling trout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Is that a bit like tickling trout? When in Rome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted April 23, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2022 17 hours ago, paulhanley said: MJ Williams is a good solid League 1 player. Blackpool flogged him on to us in the process of getting promoted out of League 1 - that says a lot about where his level is. In my opinion we need another holding midfielder and preferably an upgrade on MJ, while keeping the lad around for the remainder of his deal as the 'competition' for that slot. We have a number of good solid League 1 players - Will Aimson, Lloyd Isgrove and (nowadays) Alex Baptiste are others. Nothing against them but there's no room for sentiment if we really want to push on. Rioch shed folk like Storer, Philliskirk, Reeves, Came from our 92/3 promotion squad, it's just the same process. While I’m not against having in depth competition and potentially improving on MJ, I’m going to offer an alternative view on him only being a solid league 1 player, which suggests he’s not top end, capable of performing in a promotion team and/or performing in the championship. Evatts words offer one explanation of why we shouldn’t just look at previous clubs: Players “shouldn’t be judged on their records at other clubs.” “I think some players that we sign, it’s difficult because they might have been playing for football clubs that play a completely different way to how we play and then you’re just looking for glimpses of them doing the things that we want them to do. “But we have position specifics of what we require from each individual” The second consideration is that of the number of players in the past who have performed much better for BWFC than their previous clubs, they just get what Bolton is, appreciate the manager, the fans and buy in to the whole Bolton Wanderers brand; Davies, Mcginlay, Brannigan, Bergson. (there’s probably more from the past than I can think of at the moment!) Then you come to present day and look at what JDB is offering - I’m sorry but if any one tells me he isn’t top end L1/comfortable Ch player the way he’s playing for us at the minute then they are watching a different player - maybe the player Millwall fans saw. I think it’s complicated - you can’t just assume a previous players achievements, accomplishments and performances at other clubs, limit his potential at BWFC. Same with MJ. I accept he dropped off December/January - but the way he’s finished the season has been fantastic, probably our best and most consistent performer (with Morley pretty close alongside) - don’t write him off for being a major player in a promotion push and performing in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 hours ago, desperado said: While I’m not against having in depth competition and potentially improving on MJ, I’m going to offer an alternative view on him only being a solid league 1 player, which suggests he’s not top end, capable of performing in a promotion team and/or performing in the championship. Evatts words offer one explanation of why we shouldn’t just look at previous clubs: Players “shouldn’t be judged on their records at other clubs.” “I think some players that we sign, it’s difficult because they might have been playing for football clubs that play a completely different way to how we play and then you’re just looking for glimpses of them doing the things that we want them to do. “But we have position specifics of what we require from each individual” The second consideration is that of the number of players in the past who have performed much better for BWFC than their previous clubs, they just get what Bolton is, appreciate the manager, the fans and buy in to the whole Bolton Wanderers brand; Davies, Mcginlay, Brannigan, Bergson. (there’s probably more from the past than I can think of at the moment!) Then you come to present day and look at what JDB is offering - I’m sorry but if any one tells me he isn’t top end L1/comfortable Ch player the way he’s playing for us at the minute then they are watching a different player - maybe the player Millwall fans saw. I think it’s complicated - you can’t just assume a previous players achievements, accomplishments and performances at other clubs, limit his potential at BWFC. Same with MJ. I accept he dropped off December/January - but the way he’s finished the season has been fantastic, probably our best and most consistent performer (with Morley pretty close alongside) - don’t write him off for being a major player in a promotion push and performing in the championship. Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I obviously hope you win the debate because it would be Bolton Wanderers to benefit. I just think there's better out there. Perhaps we can agree that MJ is the only player of his type in our current squad (and IE has admitted as much in today's BN and said it after the Stockport defeat) and we therefore need a second of that type. And if we do draft in that competition then trying to improve is the logical way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted April 23, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, paulhanley said: Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I obviously hope you win the debate because it would be Bolton Wanderers to benefit. I just think there's better out there. Perhaps we can agree that MJ is the only player of his type in our current squad (and IE has admitted as much in today's BN and said it after the Stockport defeat) and we therefore need a second of that type. And if we do draft in that competition then trying to improve is the logical way to go. How all good debates should go, agree to disagree on parts, but find some common ground. I agree we need another CDM, whether that be an upgrade/replacement for MJ or competition, as long as it’s for the benefit and progression of BWFC, I’m all for it 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted April 23, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2022 I'm hoping MJ's goal the other week gives him confidence to try the odd shot again. If he can add 4 or 5 goals a season, his value to the team increases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 He’s doubtful for Saturdays game with Fleetwood after breaking his little finger against Cheltenham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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