Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Marc505 said: Seeing swathes of empty seats there and at places like WBA, Boro, Swansea and a few others makes me think of what "incredible supporters" these kind of clubs used to boast about during their sunny PL days. Stoke especially, the way their support was fawned over by a media not used to a loud stadium now and again. A few years in Championship will strip it all back to those who really want to be there. For once reasonable Prem crowds but now shit support, take a look at Blackburn and Wig… Well, take a look at Blackburn’s shit crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, MickyD said: For once reasonable Prem crowds but now shit support, take a look at Blackburn and Wig… Well, take a look at Blackburn’s shit crowds. Have they actually been that bad all things considered? We probably dropped just as much during our years of apathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, gonzo said: 100%. Been said before but theres a raft of clubs all in the same middle ground. WBA, Wolves, Stoke, Bolton, Charlton etc. Its going off the main topic a bit but at the moment there's not many teams or potential aways in Championship that really get me excited (I'm sure same could be said of us by fans of other teams if we were in there of course) Get stuck there for a few seasons if your aspirations used to be PL and it can get seriously boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2022 Alex Neil leaving Sunderland to go to Stoke. Odd one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 26, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Cheese said: Alex Neil leaving Sunderland to go to Stoke. Odd one. Just read he's on a 12 month rolling contract at Sunderland who want to keep him So probably looking for a longer term contact and in turn a better pay out when he inevitably gets sacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 26, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 hours ago, gonzo said: Have they actually been that bad all things considered? We probably dropped just as much during our years of apathy. They, like us, found out a lot of season tickets were sold to ‘Premier League’ supporters. It seems after a while in the doldrums, the positivity in our club has started to reap the rewards of high season ticket sales. I don’t think Blackburn have quite got to that stage yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Blackburn aren’t a patch on us supporters wise. Loads jumped ship after the venkys took them down. In regards to Alex Neil. Supposedly still lives in Longridge. Longer deal, more money. Nearer home etc. makes sense if all true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.cramp Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, tomski said: Blackburn aren’t a patch on us supporters wise. Loads jumped ship after the venkys took them down. In regards to Alex Neil. Supposedly still lives in Longridge. Longer deal, more money. Nearer home etc. makes sense if all true Never gave sundlan lot a 2nd thought till last season and the game we declared. Listening to the interviews before and after the game of their lot was hilarious. Their massive club self importance and shouldn't be losing to a club like Bolton changed my thoughts on em. Fookin hilarious they are losing their manager after a decent start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 hours ago, gonzo said: 100%. Been said before but theres a raft of clubs all in the same middle ground. WBA, Wolves, Stoke, Bolton, Charlton etc. I think its a bit generous to us to say we historically get the same crowds as WBA, Wolves, Stoke (but agree Charlton are smaller than us). Whenever our paths have crossed in the same division in my time since the 80s, those 3 have got bigger crowds when other things have been equal. When we were getting 5, 6, 7 or 8k in Div 3, those 3 were getting double figure crowds and their away support was always big too. No shame in that, they are just slightly bigger than the likes of us, Blackburn, PNE, Burnley for me and so they should be with no huge clubs near them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Marc505 said: Its going off the main topic a bit but at the moment there's not many teams or potential aways in Championship that really get me excited (I'm sure same could be said of us by fans of other teams if we were in there of course) Get stuck there for a few seasons if your aspirations used to be PL and it can get seriously boring. I think being in any division for years on end can get boring (see Everton) but I'd rather we were going to Burnley, Blackpool, PNE, Huddersfield, WBA, Stoke, Hull than 90% of teams in league one. And its worth getting out of this league just to avoid the powder keg away days at the tinpot local grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) I spoke with a dyed in the wool Sunderland mate yesterday. He's flabbergasted. Though he's a big loyalty guy & couldn't understand any of the managerial dismissals over the decades ... then 100% behind the new guy & stating that the last one was, indeed, shite. Firmly blames, yet again, the owners, who took ages to actually buy the club and now, apparently, aren't giving Neil funds. Certainly their ayer turnover in '22 has been loans and frees coming in, liabs returning & reducing the size of the playing staff. I'm not sure Stoke are doing either, tbh. But manager exits, to a rival, days before a largely unused window closes is not a great situation. Edited August 27, 2022 by Dr. Feelgood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 It won't end well. Hope Sunderland go up and Stoke go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 27, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 27, 2022 Why cant they both go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Casino said: Why cant they both go down? Not enough room with Wigan and Blackburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Zico Posted August 28, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Casino said: Big oops for the fucking tics yesterday Had a nosy Looks like Burnley had a reduced allocation, 4.5k with that last section near the away end empty and bits fenced off in the home end Maybe GMP been having words with them too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 If I were Alex Neil I'd be making the same move myself. I'm surprised so many people are surprised by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Zico said: Had a nosy Looks like Burnley had a reduced allocation, 4.5k with that last section near the away end empty and bits fenced off in the home end Maybe GMP been having words with them too 4,500 is pretty much what everyone has had at Wigan for years ever since it was twigged that the concourse is a death trap (wasn’t designed as an away end) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: 4,500 is pretty much what everyone has had at Wigan for years ever since it was twigged that the concourse is a death trap (wasn’t designed as an away end) That concourse is very uncomfortable. The only other 2 that are as bad at biggish grounds in my experience is Everton and Villa - that was the worst/tiniest. Out of interest, what difference should it make if its an away end? If its full does it matter if its home or away fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: If I were Alex Neil I'd be making the same move myself. I'm surprised so many people are surprised by it. Isn't the surprise that Sunderland have allowed it to happen? If he was under a 2 or 3 year contract they could just refuse permission to speak to him. Saying that, it works the other way, managers on 3 year deals lose 5 on the trot, get sacked and get a huge pay off that the club can't necessarily afford, so I'm not advocating long contracts in most circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said: Isn't the surprise that Sunderland have allowed it to happen? If he was under a 2 or 3 year contract they could just refuse permission to speak to him. Saying that, it works the other way, managers on 3 year deals lose 5 on the trot, get sacked and get a huge pay off that the club can't necessarily afford, so I'm not advocating long contracts in most circumstances. I think the majority of it is people questioning why he wpuld choose to move from one club to the other. The statement from Sunderland stated there was a clause in his contract which left them powerless to do anything about it. And when the manager makes it clear he wants to leave I think that's pretty much it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Going to Stokes match at Ewood whilst still Sunderland manager was a bit shitty tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: That concourse is very uncomfortable. The only other 2 that are as bad at biggish grounds in my experience is Everton and Villa - that was the worst/tiniest. Out of interest, what difference should it make if its an away end? If its full does it matter if its home or away fans? It was designed to be the home family stand so no expectation for people to be hanging around on the concourse boozing and instead straight in and straight out with pop and crisps, particularly as you can take your booze to the seats for rugby game so that was fairly irrelevant. Even when Latics were first promoted to the Premier League, the plan was for away fans to retain the East Stand (scoreboard stand) complete with 7,000 allocation and fenced-off parking and dedicated coach route, and then yon mon stood up on stage on his non-broken leg and said he was ‘claiming back the East Stand’ even though it had been the away section from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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