Farnywhite Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, L/H White said: Let's have it right, Gazza is loved because he was a raving piss head and a bit of a boy His achievements in football isn't even comparable to Rooney That’s not the question ? if Gazza would of signed for united instead of Rangers when fergie was after him the same with shearer they would of won loads of trophies so it doesn’t count when you are just comparing like for like . Would Rooney have won one trophy if he would of stayed at Everton ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted July 30, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Farnywhite said: That’s not the question ? if Gazza would of signed for united instead of Rangers when fergie was after him the same with shearer they would of won loads of trophies so it doesn’t count when you are just comparing like for like . Would Rooney have won one trophy if he would of stayed at Everton ? in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: England didn't particularly get the best out of any em but out of international and club football, Rooney clearly had the better career. Of course that’s why I put the wink 😉 in there . There as been a long list of England talented Players we never got the best out of and we’re under used by England hoddle and le Tissier spring to mind . Another two who won fuck all but I would put le tissier up there as one of the best talents we have produced kept Southampton up single handed in the prem for years was a magician on the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Rooney. His numbers would have been scary if he was more of a selfish cunt. Was it 2009/2010 time where he was made to play goal hanger and scored 34 goals. He didn't like playing there though because he enjoyed getting involved in build up play 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.cramp Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Paul gascoigne was the most naturally talented player we have ever had. Unfortunately he was surrounded by so many bad influences that helped to ruin the career he should of had. If gascoignes time was in Rooneys time then the 'bad influences ' would never of been allowed. Dont get me wrong as we all know he never helped himself but he was such a different talent that probably never reached 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted July 30, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 Jack Grealish reminds me of Paul Gasgoine, but a poor man's version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, Farnywhite said: That’s not the question ? if Gazza would of signed for united instead of Rangers when fergie was after him the same with shearer they would of won loads of trophies so it doesn’t count when you are just comparing like for like . Would Rooney have won one trophy if he would of stayed at Everton ? You're talking ifs, I'm talking facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 30, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, stevieb said: Harry Kane will take Rooneys all time scorer record and he'll retire with that has his only accolade. The dribbly chinned flannel Not if Ellen White has anything to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 That's a tough one. Both brilliant and Gazza was genuinely world class for 18 months. But Gazza's flaws cost him far too much. Rooney had the more successful career by a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Rooney by a country mile. Honours,caps and stats dont lie. Your mind is as important as anything to make you the best. Gazza unfortunately didn't have the mindset or discipline to be a sports man. Theres a reason spurs was his peak. Rooney was fucking brilliant. For club and country and is easily one of the best English players ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, Zico said: Not if Ellen White has anything to do with it If they win tomorrow no matter what the BBC say football hasn't come home. It'd be like saying footballs come home because we've won walking football. It's nice. It's still England. But it doesn't compare.... (see what I did there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Would Rooney bring you a fishing rod, chicken breasts and some cans of Stella when you really needed them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Would Rooney bring you a fishing rod, chicken breasts and some cans of Stella when you really needed them? No but reckon hed be game for an 8 ball and copious brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, radcliffe white said: Paul scholes better than Gazza Too obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Alf Hartigan said: Jack Grealish reminds me of Paul Gasgoine, but a poor man's version. Aye Id agree with that. Hes the most technically gifted player in our set up at the minute. If Pep cant get the best out of him, no-one can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: No but reckon hed be game for an 8 ball and copious brass Reckon they both would tbf 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, radcliffe white said: Paul scholes better than Gazza Influence of Paul Scholes on Kieran Lee's game under Munchen youth system is clear and obvious. Controversial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Gazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 8 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said: Jack Grealish reminds me of Paul Gasgoine, but a poor man's version. Absolutely. Right down to being as thick as a plank and having a self-destruct button, just a poor man's version even of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 31, 2022 Members Share Posted July 31, 2022 Paul Gascoigne was arguably the greatest talent England has produced in over half a century. As others have said, if Fergie had got hold of him, I am certain he would be widely acknowledged as the greatest English player - possibly of all time. Wayne who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted July 31, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2022 Great debate as can be seen by the polarising difference of opinion I may be completely wrong on this, as I don’t know the ages of all folk on here. But I’m wondering whether there is a generational persuasion on this. If you are over 45 and you were a teenager up to your 20s/30s in 1990, you will only truly know the greatness of Gazza. No matter how many times you watch videos of him I think you need to have experienced the difference he made. The hope he gave a nation. The songs not wrong, “30 years of hurt” and mediocrity, but from 1990 with Gazza in our team we felt we always had a chance. We had never seen someone in an England shirt, drift past people, score amazing goals, demonstrate skill which put him on a pedestal with the best in the world. He came back in 1996 and showed he could still do it. But for his injury (and like Others have said, if Ferguson would have got hold of him) he could have been top of the world and had Stats and honours to match and go Beyond Rooney. Im not downplaying Rooney btw. But for me it’s Gazza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 31, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, bolty58 said: Wayne who? He's the one Fergie actually got hold of, who then won everything he could at club level and became Utd and England's all time top goal scorer Gazza scored a good goal v Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zico said: The one Fergie got hold of, then won everything he could at club level and became Utd and England's top goal scorer Come on you can’t mention anything to do with United on here you know big rivals and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Its deffo a generation thing and more to do with where England and the game in general was in the late 80s. He wouldn't stand a chance in today's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I think these which player is better from different generations is a bit pointless, personally the better player is the one that gave you most joy to watch. Because of my age, nothing beats Italia 90 and Euro 96 so it's Gazza for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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