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Bolton V Aston Villa League Cup


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9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

They'll also be a lot fitter than ours, regardless of talent. That's why they're playing in the Premier League and our players are playing in League 1.

Yes, I understand that. The very best tend to be physical specimens as well.

But he wasn't wondering why our players weren't as talented as theirs.

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4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Yes, I understand that. The very best tend to be physical specimens as well.

But he wasn't wondering why our players weren't as talented as theirs.

I must've misunderstood then. I thought he was wondering why our players weren't as fit as Premier League players even though fitness is one of our main objectives.... in LEAGUE ONE.

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7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I must've misunderstood then. I thought he was wondering why our players weren't as fit as Premier League players even though fitness is one of our main objectives.... in LEAGUE ONE.

He was.

He mentioned nothing about talent, though, other than to acknowledge their players would be more talented than ours.

In your response to his post you wrote "If you think League 1 players should be as fit and talented as Premier League players, you need to sit down and have a think".

It seemed a bit unecessary to criticise him for something he hadn't stated.

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1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

He was.

He mentioned nothing about talent, though, other than to acknowledge their players would be more talented than ours.

In your response to his post you wrote "If you think League 1 players should be as fit and talented as Premier League players, you need to sit down and have a think".

It seemed a bit unecessary to criticise him for something he hadn't stated.

Ok, then I apologise.

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

Having seen the third, he was poor

But still a solid 7 on the night

It just seems the thing to do these days to write players off

I wrote him off after Hartlepool, probably around the same time as Evatt did 

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14 minutes ago, Zico said:

I wrote him off after Hartlepool, probably around the same time as Evatt did 

If Evatt was a serious and ambitious manager and had wrote a player off he would never play them again. 

Regardless of anything else I don't think anyone doubts IE is serious and ambitious.

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Just now, Cheese said:

Evatt put him in the team last night...

He signed him last summer and then signed a new first choice 19 year old keeper in January 

Then re-signed him again this summer 

Dixon will probably play in the PJ cup too 

But he's not getting a sniff of first team action again unless trafford gets injured or suspended  

He basically had half a season to prove himself, but didn't 

Last night changes nowt

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13 minutes ago, Zico said:

He signed him last summer and then signed a new first choice 19 year old keeper in January 

Then re-signed him again this summer 

Dixon will probably play in the PJ cup too 

But he's not getting a sniff of first team action again unless trafford gets injured or suspended  

He basically had half a season to prove himself, but didn't 

Last night changes nowt

Whatever happens, I think I'll trust Evatt over you. Nobody suggested he was ready for the first team. You obviously don't trust Evatt's judgement, which is fine.

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There's a definite consensus that Dixon kept the score down, and he definitely made some decent saves.  In that context, its surprising to read some comments that the result flattered Villa.  Dixon made many good saves, their keeper made none that I can recall.  They had 2 goals disallowed (Ings, Watkins), and hit the post (Ings).  I was happy to get away with a 3 goal defeat, no criticism of us but the gulf in terms of creating chances was huge. We played some great stuff but it didn't result in shots on goal, that's the reality and to some extent its reflected in league games, one area that needs to improve.

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24 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Evatt put him in the team last night...

He also picked him for just about every game while he was at barrow, so he knew exactly what he was getting

Fact of the matter is, any keeper good enough to satisfy some of our fans, wont see themselves as second choice in div 3

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5 minutes ago, Casino said:

He also picked him for just about every game while he was at barrow, so he knew exactly what he was getting

Fact of the matter is, any keeper good enough to satisfy some of our fans, wont see themselves as second choice in div 3

I was commenting on the daft idea that Evatt "wrote him off after Hartlepool". If Evatt had written him off, he wouldn't have played last night.

 

Edit: Ignore @Casino. Crossed wires.

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18 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Whatever happens, I think I'll trust Evatt over you. Nobody suggested he was ready for the first team. You obviously don't trust Evatt's judgement, which is fine.

I do trust Evatts judgement, I think it's obvious what he thinks regards Dixon 

He gave him 6 months as our number one, then decided to bring someone else in 

Same as he did with Crellin the season before when he sacked him off in favour of gilks

And both times we were better off for the change 

As for being ready for the first team, Don't forget he's 28 and IE worked with him at Barrow, he thought he might be good enough to be a league one keeper 

IE has clearly changed his mind  

He gets cup games, that's it  

Like most second string keepers at every club do

Not sure what their is to dispute there 

It's quite clear he doesn't rate him as our number one keeper anymore 

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Dixon made some decent saves and kept the scoreline down, but you'd expect your keeper to make those saves.

He was weak on the first goal, didn't have to challenge Ings (who was offside btw) on the penalty and lost his bearings on the third. I'll not be unhappy if he doesn't play another meaningful first team game for us.

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7 hours ago, Zico said:

He signed him last summer and then signed a new first choice 19 year old keeper in January 

Then re-signed him again this summer 

Dixon will probably play in the PJ cup too 

But he's not getting a sniff of first team action again unless trafford gets injured or suspended  

He basically had half a season to prove himself, but didn't 

Last night changes nowt

i would give the 

other guy a game in the PJ 

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8 hours ago, Zico said:

I do trust Evatts judgement, I think it's obvious what he thinks regards Dixon 

He gave him 6 months as our number one, then decided to bring someone else in 

Same as he did with Crellin the season before when he sacked him off in favour of gilks

And both times we were better off for the change 

As for being ready for the first team, Don't forget he's 28 and IE worked with him at Barrow, he thought he might be good enough to be a league one keeper 

IE has clearly changed his mind  

He gets cup games, that's it  

Like most second string keepers at every club do

Not sure what their is to dispute there 

It's quite clear he doesn't rate him as our number one keeper anymore 

Doesn't matter. I'm always over defensive of any player that wears a Bolton shirt. I feel the same about Kachunga and the stick he gets.

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Looking back at some of our previous keepers, I wonder if it’s a case of doing all they need to on the training ground but bottle it in front of a few thousand spectators. A bit like stage fright. You’re never going to be at your best if all you can think of is your own vulnerability.

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5 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Looking back at some of our previous keepers, I wonder if it’s a case of doing all they need to on the training ground but bottle it in front of a few thousand spectators. A bit like stage fright. You’re never going to be at your best if all you can think of is your own vulnerability.

Wasn't Dixon also poor in front of no spectators? Or am I mixing him up with Crellin?

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