Meanwhile In England

[bwfcfan5]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Heartbreaking 

And then some. Found it hard to sleep thinking about those families affected and imagining if it was our family or families we know affected. 

[PatrickBateman]

20 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You are an idiot. 

You're an apologist.

 

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, PatrickBateman said:

You're an apologist.

 

Yes and most of all I’m really sorry for you and those who share your blinkered views. 

[DazBob]

53 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

The state of some of you on here.

More angry about the rioting in Southport than the kids killed by a scumbag.

Quiet as a mouse when certain communities are rioting but not others.

A fcking arsehole showed up at Southport yesterday with a knife, not a mention on here. He didn't fit your narrative.

The usual suspects getting on their high-horses spewing far-right as some kind of weapon.

Talking about Nazis when we're importing people from the third world and we haven't got a clue who these people even are.

Peak Wanderersgays.

"The state of some of you on here"

... And the proceeds to post this.

Nobody is "More angry about the rioting in Southport than the kids killed by a scumbag".. Jesus Christ. That's the type of moronic statement that someone like @bolty58comes out with.

... And it was very obvious that the Nazi comment was very specific in its context to highlight the stupid point that @royal whitewas making in that none of the rioters could be EDL. Nobody was calling them Nazis. But you knew that. Or if you didn't then maybe you should read posts a bit more slowly.

[bwfcfan5]

I think this sums it up.

[tomski]

9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I think this sums it up.

Not Kevs greatest moment.

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, PatrickBateman said:

A fcking arsehole showed up at Southport yesterday with a knife, not a mention on here. He didn't fit your narrative.

You're right in that he's a fucking arsehole.

... although we don't know any details about this yet - unless TezTruth has already named him?  This is probably why nobody is really talking about it yet.

But if it's true that someone has turned up with a knife, regardless of which "side" he's on then he should be dealt with and punished as severely as possible.  Surely you don't think anyone on here would think any different?

[mickbrown]

That brick to the bollocks gets funnier every time I see it

[mickbrown]

And there’s going to be some serious sentences handed down. 
 

5 years for a zoom call to stop traffic? These lads are going down for ages. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

And there’s going to be some serious sentences handed down. 
 

5 years for a zoom call to stop traffic? These lads are going down for ages. 

But then there’s a suspended sentence for stabbing your missus 🤷🏻

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And there’s going to be some serious sentences handed down. 
 

5 years for a zoom call to stop traffic? These lads are going down for ages. 

There was far more to it than that

[mickbrown]

16 minutes ago, royal white said:

But then there’s a suspended sentence for stabbing your missus 🤷🏻

Mad as fuck eh?

[mickbrown]

15 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There was far more to it than that

Aye, but you get my point. 

[gonzo]

There's a massive wave on the horizon in Ireland too.

Just because you suggest things are going to happen, it's a tinder box etc, it doesn't mean you agree with them.

Folk sticking their fingers in their ears and burying their heads is extremely dangerous.

[London Wanderer]

So numerous families in the midst of grief & shock have now had to come out & call for a stop to the violence.

A police force, fresh from a hugely traumatic incident & in the middle of investigation are getting vehicles burnt & attacked with bricks.

 Don’t dare criticise them though. Because if you do you’re not angry enough about the original incident & you’ve got your lefty liberal head stuck in the sand 🙄

[Blondi]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

But then there’s a suspended sentence for stabbing your missus 🤷🏻

What with? A pencil?

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

There's a massive wave on the horizon in Ireland too.

Just because you suggest things are going to happen, it's a tinder box etc, it doesn't mean you agree with them.

Folk sticking their fingers in their ears and burying their heads is extremely dangerous.

Correct.

Anyone turning up at a vigil for 3 murdered little girls with the intention of causing aggro is a fucking reptile.

But observing why this is happening doesn’t make me or anyone else complicit.

If you cannot see why people are angry, and simply label them as thick thugs, then you’re no better. Sitting in judgement from an armchair whilst refusing to acknowledge the reasons.

This isn’t about RACE. This is about a religion. Islam is followed by millions of people from all racial backgrounds.

Religion is the issue. Northern Ireland - all caused because 2 branches of the same religion couldn’t agree on the best way to say the Lords Prayer. Fuck me. And that still gets lads all worked up most weekends in Glasgow. Root cause - religion.

It’s bad enough when religious fanatics from different faiths clash. But what we now have are non-religious types (in the main) becoming sick and fucking tired of having to tiptoe around a religion that is - whether you like it or not - violent and dangerous, in part because of the grip it has its followers in.

A bite back is inevitable. Unpleasant of course, but simply calling everyone thick is, ironically, thick as fuck.

Edited July 31 by Spider

[wiggy]

I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t simply condemning last night’s rioting should take a very long hard look at themselves. 

[Spider]

Just now, wiggy said:

I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t simply condemning last night’s rioting should take a very long hard look at themselves. 

We are

No-one has said it was justified.

We are discussing WHY it happened.

Even coked-up scroungers in knock off tracksuits don’t simply decide to go to Southport on a Tuesday night for no reason.

Its ok to discuss why.

[deeane Koontz]

 

[gonzo]

Just now, wiggy said:

I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t simply condemning last night’s rioting should take a very long hard look at themselves. 

I've not seen one person not doing.

Explaining why it's happening and why it was so easy to go off is a different conversation.

Army bloke stabbed last week, the airport thing, tens of thousands in London for anti Islam March then 3 kids murdered. Even with a 1% chance this scum fucker was slightly off pale that last night was going to happen.

Been saying if two weeks on here ffs. People just don't want to listen and pretend it's all just a handful of racist gammon.

It's a wave of discontent throughout the UK/Ireland and mainland Europe.

Le pen, wilders, right wing office in Italy, riots in England etc etc.

The problem isn't going away and all it takes is a few incidents and it will go even more bang off.

It's on a knife edge in Dublin too.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t simply condemning last night’s rioting should take a very long hard look at themselves. 

Dear me.

Everyone knows it shouldn't have happened, and had said so. 

It was counterproductive, and disgraceful behaviour in the streets of the victims.

Not really relevant to the discussion about why. 

It's a miracle that such things haven't happened before, and when grey, soulless politicians repeatedly offer up bland, tick-box platitudes but fail to deliver any meaningful change, then tensions simply rise. 

[Zico]

26 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've not seen one person not doing.

Explaining why it's happening and why it was so easy to go off is a different conversation.

Army bloke stabbed last week, the airport thing, tens of thousands in London for anti Islam March then 3 kids murdered. Even with a 1% chance this scum fucker was slightly off pale that last night was going to happen.

Been saying if two weeks on here ffs. People just don't want to listen and pretend it's all just a handful of racist gammon.

It's a wave of discontent throughout the UK/Ireland and mainland Europe.

Le pen, wilders, right wing office in Italy, riots in England etc etc.

The problem isn't going away and all it takes is a few incidents and it will go even more bang off.

It's on a knife edge in Dublin too.

 

If you're not seen to condemn the rioters, you support them 

If you condemn the rioters you're not angry or upset about kids getting killed or that the murderer wasn't really British, not proper British

And on in circles it goes 

Anyway 

 

[London Wanderer]

36 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

Just heard an interview with the Mosque leader . Sounds absolutely terrifying for him and the people inside. The police he said were brilliant in getting there in time to help them. Otherwise there could have been some serious harm caused.

Why people think now is the time to discuss Islamism, when we’ve been told it’s not terror related, is beyond me. 

[bwfcfan5]

36 minutes ago, Spider said:

We are

No-one has said it was justified.

We are discussing WHY it happened.

Even coked-up scroungers in knock off tracksuits don’t simply decide to go to Southport on a Tuesday night for no reason.

Its ok to discuss why.

They go because they are being agitated by far right extremist groups who are allowed to do so on social media. I think it’s no more complex than that. When people say ‘but people are fed up of Islam’ it has more ermm substance when what they are actually protesting against has something to do with Islam.

The issue is that people are legitimising anger against groups - based purely on hatred and online misinformation. There is absolutely plenty of this that goes on in the muslim community too - it’s been called out on here frequently. But dealing with extremism and whatever is very different to justifying a mass mob descending on a community in mourning to protest an issue that has nothing to do with it and putting police and emergency workers in hospital.

The line ‘we are sick of it’ may as well be used about men. It’s virtually always men. We are sick of men being violent. But that’s as nonsensical as the line being used on social media to somehow contextualise what is simple far right thuggery. I’d call it terrorism because that’s what it is. If a group of Muslims did the same in protest about something fuelled by political misinformation I’d call it the same. 
 

We don’t know the full details yet what we know is ignored by people who have an agenda and backfilled with their own misinformation.

Ive seen some suggesting that a lot of this is being agitated by foreign states which wouldn’t surprise me. It’s easy to do. And if you want to destabilise the U.K. then plant some accounts on social media and go crazy - doesn’t take much.