Meanwhile In England

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

I'm not blaming anyone for anything.

I'm simply saying I wouldn't want my street to turn in a ghetto like other areas in town.

People are happy for other areas to look like a back street in Bucharest but not their own.

My angst against this country has absolutely nothing to do with foreign folk or migration. It's about our wank weather, shite economy and being led by corrupt donkeys. There's better lives to be lived elsewhere imo.

 

 

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Edited October 20 by bolty58

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

You put an asylum seeker in the same boat as a smack heads & thieving twats?

Strange that you see a foreigner walking about & get so depressed about it… 

So, so predictable.

Not working, mooching about aimlessly, often in groups. 

Contributing absolutely nothing, but utilising accommodation and services.

Quite often involved in crime, antisocial behaviour etc.

Nothing strange about it at all.

You simply don't or won't understand that such concerns are nothing to do with colour or race, and are continually thrusting suggestive comments and insults at those who do. 

If they were all white, British, doing the same, you'd be all over it, slagging off the lazy Brits, etc. 

You may be happy about it, but you're highly likely to be in a minority. 

Your ivory tower of life in a city of education and tourism is nothing like that in former industrial ttows, where councils and governments have been happy to receive and dump disproportionate numbers for an immediate bit of coin, and no long term thinking.

Maybe Scotland should start taking equivalent numbers, they'll do well with the disproportionate numbers of addicts.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 hours ago, royal white said:

He said he didn’t want to live in an area littered with foreigners, that’s pretty much an example you have given and agreed with. 

Whilst on holiday recently, we were talking to a butcher in a small town.

Got onto the subject of immigration, and he commented on the low numbers in the area, but that was changing slightly.

He told of a customer of his that rented out a small house, that was to accommodate 3 or 4.

The landlord paid a visit to find around 20 of them living there, with animals being slaughtered in the front room.

He got some mates round, and they immediately "evicted" said migrants under severe warnings.

No fucking about.

No doubt the usual pair will say it's all bullshit etc, but it simply isn't.

Send the cunts to Edinburgh. Couple of hundred thousand should do the trick. 

 

[Cheese]

27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So, so predictable.

Not working, mooching about aimlessly, often in groups. 

Contributing absolutely nothing, but utilising accommodation and services.

Quite often involved in crime, antisocial behaviour etc.

Nothing strange about it at all.

You simply don't or won't understand that such concerns are nothing to do with colour or race, and are continually thrusting suggestive comments and insults at those who do. 

If they were all white, British, doing the same, you'd be all over it, slagging off the lazy Brits, etc. 

You may be happy about it, but you're highly likely to be in a minority. 

Your ivory tower of life in a city of education and tourism is nothing like that in former industrial ttows, where councils and governments have been happy to receive and dump disproportionate numbers for an immediate bit of coin, and no long term thinking.

Maybe Scotland should start taking equivalent numbers, they'll do well with the disproportionate numbers of addicts.

I live in a "former industrial town" and all the 'immigrants' who live here work in shops, or car washes, or drive taxis. The scumbags I encounter are 99% jobless natives, spending their days drinking Co-Op own-brand Cider and getting stoned. We can all provide anecdotes.

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I live in a "former industrial town" and all the 'immigrants' who live here work in shops, or car washes, or drive taxis. The scumbags I encounter are 99% jobless natives, spending their days drinking Co-Op own-brand Cider and getting stoned. We can all provide anecdotes.

So the areas which he describe don't exist then?

Or we should all just be happy exist?

Be ace to live in your weird little utopian world 🌎 

Be interested to see the tax returns from those car washes you mentioned btw

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

So the areas which he describe don't exist then?

Or we should all just be happy exist?

Be ace to live in your weird little utopian world 🌎 

Be interested to see the tax returns from those car washes you mentioned btw

I'm sure they do exist. As I say, we've all got our anecdotes.

There's a lot wrong in my "weird little utopian world", but none of it is caused by skint foreigners trying to better themselves.

Be interested to see the tax returns for most independent window cleaners, carpet fitters, plasterers, decorators, etc. etc.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

[gonzo]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'm sure they do exist. As I say, we've all got our anecdotes.

There's a lot wrong in my "weird little utopian world", but none of it is caused by skint foreigners trying to better themselves.

Be interested to see the tax returns for most independent window cleaners, carpet fitters, plasterers, decorators, etc. etc.

Whatabout whatabout whatabout.

 

 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Whatabout whatabout whatabout.

Aye. That's usually the way these discussions go.

[gonzo]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Aye. That's usually the way these discussions go.

Yes you trying to deflect the discussion on a particular subject by bringing up a load of other stuff in some kind of weird denial.

A poster mentions immigrants and asylum seekers creating awful environments and you spend all day saying they are wrong. Even though they aren't.

Just because you see a few lads washing cars in your town.

Head in the sand.

[Cheese]

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Yes you trying to deflect the discussion on a particular subject by bringing up a load of other stuff in some kind of weird denial.

A poster mentions immigrants and asylum seekers creating awful environments and you spend all day saying they are wrong. Even though they aren't.

Just because you see a few lads washing cars in your town.

Head in the sand.

You brought up immigrants and asylum seekers as reasons you wanted to leave the UK. 

Then you used Central Drive in Blackpool as an example, but called it 'whataboutery' when I replied to you about Blackpool because you don't live there.

Then you said immigrants don't affect where you live, and are nothing to do with your dislike of the UK anyway.

You're all over the place mate.

Edited October 20 by Cheese

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You brought up immigrants and asylum seekers as reasons you wanted to leave the UK. 

Then you used Central Drive in Blackpool as an example, but called it 'whataboutery' when I replied to you about Blackpool because you don't live there.

Then you said immigrants don't affect where you live, and are nothing to do with your dislike of the UK anyway.

You're all over the place mate.

No I didn't.

I was replying to London Wanderer trying to tear apart TMGJ for him saying he didn't like asylum folk and migrants making shite areas. 

I said maybe folk don't want in to live one and be surrounded by Albanian and Romanian blokes loitering on street corner so like they do on central drive or Gibraltar street or any other town with these kind of areas.

I was saying folk are easy to deny the problems of these areas and wouldnt want their areas to turn like this.

Pretty simple really. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

No I didn't.

I was replying to London Wanderer trying to tear apart TMGJ for him saying he didn't like asylum folk and migrants making shite areas. 

I said maybe folk don't want in to live one and be surrounded by Albanian and Romanian blokes loitering on street corner so like they do on central drive or Gibraltar street or any other town with these kind of areas.

I was saying folk are easy to deny the problems of these areas and wouldnt want their areas to turn like this.

Pretty simple really. 

OK 👍

[Dimron]

7 hours ago, Cheese said:

I'm sure they do exist. As I say, we've all got our anecdotes.

There's a lot wrong in my "weird little utopian world", but none of it is caused by skint foreigners trying to better themselves.

Be interested to see the tax returns for most independent window cleaners, carpet fitters, plasterers, decorators, etc. etc.

Nowt wrong with immigration... the problem is we have too many of the "wrong" immigrants

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So, so predictable.

Not working, mooching about aimlessly, often in groups. 

Contributing absolutely nothing, but utilising accommodation and services.

Quite often involved in crime, antisocial behaviour etc.

Nothing strange about it at all.

You simply don't or won't understand that such concerns are nothing to do with colour or race, and are continually thrusting suggestive comments and insults at those who do. 

If they were all white, British, doing the same, you'd be all over it, slagging off the lazy Brits, etc. 

You may be happy about it, but you're highly likely to be in a minority. 

Your ivory tower of life in a city of education and tourism is nothing like that in former industrial ttows, where councils and governments have been happy to receive and dump disproportionate numbers for an immediate bit of coin, and no long term thinking.

Maybe Scotland should start taking equivalent numbers, they'll do well with the disproportionate numbers of addicts.

ooft that's some rant my man. Very predictable as well. Here's my predictable rant 😉

Ivory tower, haha. You've no idea where I've lived and worked previously and living where I do doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. If you care to read my earlier posts, you'll see I accept there is a problem with overcrowding, accommodation and the whole system. I'm not tyring to deny an issue at all, I'm just questioning you putting asylum seekers and migrants in the same bracket as smack heads on the street. And other massive generalisations folk have made. You've pointed out intimidating and anti-social behaviour, as has another poster, and that's fair enough. My bad if that's all you meant by it 👍

In terms of crime, there's very little evidence (& research) to suggest that asylum seekers and migrants are any more or less likely to commit crimes than any other members of the population. That doesn't deny we've issues with terrorism or any foreign crime, but other than that, it's all anecdotal. https://theferret.scot/explainer-do-refugees-increase-crime-uk/

For what it's worth, asylum seekers do want to contribute something more than living off pennies and having nothing to do. The solution is to let them work. As well as managing the backlog; preventing crossings; bringing those in in the sectors we need and dispersing them effectively. Not dumping as you say👍 It has been grossly mismanaged over the past decade to get to this situation and I'd be delighted if Labour could make some progress so we don't end up with a bunch of incompetent climate deniers from Reform running the show. 

And yes - we need them in Scotland, send them over. It's a ticking time bomb with the birth rate and England isn't far off either. Economic forecasters have been predicting that western countries will be competing over migrants in future decades. The UK government isn't as keen on it as the SNP are though, so I wouldn't blame Scotland

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5zdwrpn49o

 https://theferret.scot/claim-scotland-does-not-house-refugees-is-false/

 

 

Edited October 20 by London Wanderer

[gonzo]

Maybe, just maybe, with a population crisis on the horizon, it might have been an idea to stay in the biggest trading block on the planet with freedom of movement instead of ostracising ourselves to the rest of Europe and only being attractive to every wafe&stray across the planet instead of true economic migrants capable of creating some kind of positive input to our economy and society? 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Maybe, just maybe, with a population crisis on the horizon, it might have been an idea to stay in the biggest trading block on the planet with freedom of movement instead of ostracising ourselves to the rest of Europe and only being attractive to every wafe&stray across the planet instead of true economic migrants capable of creating some kind of positive input to our economy and society? 

Aye mate

Sadly people will struggle to admit that leaving the EU has only worsened our ability to manage immigration. Whilst taking important funding from many of the communities we see looking more deprived by the day. Some folk would rather just weaken us further by taking us out the ECHR. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Asylum seekers are not economic migrants and so shouldn't be treated as such

The focus should be on ensuring we have the infrastructure capable of processing and making determinations on asylum claims rather than exploiting their presence to help fulfil any skill shortage in the economy

[Dimron]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

ooft that's some rant my man. Very predictable as well. Here's my predictable rant 😉

Ivory tower, haha. You've no idea where I've lived and worked previously and living where I do doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. If you care to read my earlier posts, you'll see I accept there is a problem with overcrowding, accommodation and the whole system. I'm not tyring to deny an issue at all, I'm just questioning you putting asylum seekers and migrants in the same bracket as smack heads on the street. And other massive generalisations folk have made. You've pointed out intimidating and anti-social behaviour, as has another poster, and that's fair enough. My bad if that's all you meant by it 👍

In terms of crime, there's very little evidence (& research) to suggest that asylum seekers and migrants are any more or less likely to commit crimes than any other members of the population. That doesn't deny we've issues with terrorism or any foreign crime, but other than that, it's all anecdotal. https://theferret.scot/explainer-do-refugees-increase-crime-uk/

For what it's worth, asylum seekers do want to contribute something more than living off pennies and having nothing to do. The solution is to let them work. As well as managing the backlog; preventing crossings; bringing those in in the sectors we need and dispersing them effectively. Not dumping as you say👍 It has been grossly mismanaged over the past decade to get to this situation and I'd be delighted if Labour could make some progress so we don't end up with a bunch of incompetent climate deniers from Reform running the show. 

And yes - we need them in Scotland, send them over. It's a ticking time bomb with the birth rate and England isn't far off either. Economic forecasters have been predicting that western countries will be competing over migrants in future decades. The UK government isn't as keen on it as the SNP are though, so I wouldn't blame Scotland

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5zdwrpn49o

 https://theferret.scot/claim-scotland-does-not-house-refugees-is-false/

 

 

I'd be delighted if Labour could make some progress so we don't end up with a bunch of incompetent climate deniers from Reform running the show. 

Totally agreed

[London Wanderer]

59 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I'd be delighted if Labour could make some progress so we don't end up with a bunch of incompetent climate deniers from Reform running the show. 

Totally agreed

Make some progress with the crossings & backlog and they’ll take votes 🤞

At least we can all finish our weekend agreeing on something 😁

Edited October 20 by London Wanderer

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Maybe, just maybe, with a population crisis on the horizon, it might have been an idea to stay in the biggest trading block on the planet with freedom of movement instead of ostracising ourselves to the rest of Europe and only being attractive to every wafe&stray across the planet instead of true economic migrants capable of creating some kind of positive input to our economy and society? 

I'd say the opposite. The UK got the fuck out of the bungling bureaucracy, now get out of other bureaucratic and outdated bollocks which hobble it when it come to taking adequately strong measures to sort the situation in the English Channel and elsewhere.

On the end of the Brussels string there's fuck all you can do except 'accept'. Now time to get off the Strasbourg string.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

I'd be delighted if Labour could make some progress

Better buy some Angel Delight mate. It's the only type you'll be getting.

[royal white]

I see the usual “itz becos e is black” have been wheeled out on Good Morning to debate the Kaba shooting. He was in a car that was used in a shooting the previous day and tried to ram police off the road. What did he expect to happen. Good riddance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cvgwgrld8v2oDr

[Tonge moor green jacket]

On 20/10/2024 at 21:26, gonzo said:

Maybe, just maybe, with a population crisis on the horizon, it might have been an idea to stay in the biggest trading block on the planet with freedom of movement instead of ostracising ourselves to the rest of Europe and only being attractive to every wafe&stray across the planet instead of true economic migrants capable of creating some kind of positive input to our economy and society? 

I'm confused. 

These folk come through the EU at some point initially. 

The bloc virtually never applies the Dublin Agreement rules. I once found the figures for migrants removed using it. Iirc, it was around a couple of thousand.

As for those coming in for their genuine ability to undertake important work, being in or out is irrelevant. Anyone can apply, and all are treated equally under the rules. In fact its a more level playing field now. 

The huge increase in numbers came about largely through legitimate arrivals, which in turn came about through a ridiculously low bar set by the previous government. They raised the bar towards the end, which is having an effect, but that measure itself only took the bar back somewhere close to where it was set previously. 

The numbers coming illegally are comparatively low to those legitimate ones, and do so because we have been and still are a soft touch. Even the French tell us to toughen up.

We send so few back its ridiculous as we all know.

[gonzo]

Our country in the state it's in, post brexit, has less opportunity and more obstacles for economic EU migrants. 

It has more opportunity for Eastern European car washers/ barbers or money launderers.

We also removed ourselves from the table of discussion about how to stop illegal migrants crossing the channel or coming on Lorries. Hence numbers being at all time highs.