Chris Custodiet
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5 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:
Chris - Super Bobby Taylor put us one up at the swamp in that game. Andy Cole equalised late on. Though as it doesn't appear in the accounts, administrator s reports or companies house website, its understandable that the details escape you.
Memories can play little tricks but I confess that I wasn't there. I was in Naples Florida at the time trying to find a newspaper with the English footie results in it. Eventually I tracked one down in Books-A-Million. Shame on me.
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On 28/09/2019 at 08:02, MickyD said:
The Times has a lengthy article in this morning's times. Basically a potted history.
If I'm able, and the site allows, I'll upload it.
Now I've read it, there's very little in this that I haven't posted on this and other sites and suspect it to be another tribute and memoriam on behalf of Eddie's widow, Sue. No memoriams in the Bolton News or Grauniad, of course. I don't remember the Grauniad ever recording Eddie's death at all, let alone publishing an obituary.
But Eddie's life was a remarkable one and I'm inclined to think that his invitation to Old Trafford by Sir Roland Smith was a pivotal point in it in more ways than one. Sir Roland was 18 years older but each of them were self-made men both sharing modest upbringings but also sharing a determination and an ability to make their mark in life.
Sir Roland is perhaps best remembered for his part in the bitter battle for Harrods between Tiny Rowland and Mohamed Al Fayed and Eddie himself was involved in a controversial battle for control of BWFC when Sir Roland died in November 2003. I'm not sure that there was a realistic alternative to the BWFC rescue with Eddies money but the old guard didn't like it and they had an ally at the Bolton Evening News.
I wonder if, as guest of MUFC's chairman, Eddie celebrated like the of rest of BWFC's fans when Bob Taylor scored the equaliser on that Saturday afternoon in February 1998. I'll bet he did.
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9 hours ago, Sluffy said:
Are you for real?
I'm sure someone has not randomly stuck in £40m without a plan to at least safeguard their investment and get a return on it.
That certainly won't be on the off chance that we make £20m plus back on the playing side inside three years.
As for your list of conceivability's, it's also conceivable that Lord Lucan will be winning next years Grand National on Shergar but that certainly doesn't mean it will be happening.
Have a nice day down at the Bolton Futsal Club
If FV have got £40m, how come EDT are having to wait two years for £5m, only half of their £10m secured debt (according to Rubins)?
Without in any way casting doubt on FV's best intentions, there's something not adding up here? I appreciate that there are many who don't give a monkeys but how much are the unsecured creditors now going to get?
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1 minute ago, Casino said:
Becoming, my arse
Im just having nowt to do with those self serving, dodgy bastards
Sorry Casino, can't agree. I think they are muddled, puddled and befuddled but I don't think it gets them anywhere.
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3 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:
In Portsmouth looking forward to the next exciting chapter in our clubs journey and some berk is pulling folk up for spelling a former journo's name wrong. Jesus
Do you always miss the point by 250 miles or more? I rather think you do.
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2 hours ago, MickyD said:
The Times has a lengthy article in this morning's times. Basically a potted history.
If I'm able, and the site allows, I'll upload it.
Many thanks for that. Just read the first bit. Not a Times subscriber so that's all you get on t'internet.
It sounds that, at long last, someone has being doing some proper research. The bit about the match at Old Trafford is exactly what Phil Gartside told me when I met him by chance in the summer of 2003 and asked about how Eddie first became involved.
Must get a copy.
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27 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:
I agree with sluffy on this occasion, Iles really is playing at reporting on BWFC, could you imagine Gordon Sharrock not being present.
I don't think Gordon Sharrock would have been there but Gordon Shorrock might have been.
Iles is usually hardworking and actually quite good at reporting on the footie. Its when he strays into other areas that he's a nightmare.
And btw, why do you think the name Goslin would resonate so loudly with me when Bob Goslin died in 2008 but did not seem to resonate at all with the Bolton Evening News? Had they never heard of Harry Goslin or the well-publicised part his son had played in avoiding a disaster at Hillsborough in 1981?
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Spot on Sluffy. FV will know what a corrosive individual Iles can be even if his followers can't.
I think Iles sees himself as the champion of the workers against grasping mill owners without it ever dawning on him that the owners had been struggling to keep the mill open for decades, never able to afford the wages of the highest paid 'here today gone tomorrow' employees who, in turn, were not in the least bothered about the fate of the mill or the rest of the workforce.
FV have done everything they could to moderate their risk but they are taking a risk. Just wait and see what happens if their gamble doesn't come off or dare to take a profit if it does.
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1 hour ago, Traf said:
I went to the BWSA meeting last night, which was free for all to attend, I took Junior along and met one other poster off here.
It was poorly advertised (Junior told me about it) and subsequently poorly (60-ish?) attended.
The evening was bizarre and incoherent to be honest. It was set up as a meet & greet of Hill & Flicker, then a brea, then some words from the club chaplain Phil Mason and then Emma Beaugeard (CEO) & Suzanne Speak (hotel) would be the speakers.
Keith & Dave did a bit of Q&A ; usual stuff ie who are your role models, how did you get into football etc etc
Then you could go and get your photo with them (Junior did, I didn't!)
Then Keith & Dave left and there was a break.
Phil Mason (club chaplain) gave a bit of an inspirational/motivational talk about Harry Gosling, leadership and the recent plight of the club and the need for us all to be together and consider the services the club has to offer next time you're hosting an event / looking for a hotel etc etc as every penny is vital and will help rebuild the club. Common sense really.
Then the talk from Emma & Suzanne never materialised, they just opened the floor for questions to them, but they remained sat at their table in the corner and never once stood up to address the audience.
Questions like
the supply of half time beer tokens?
why are there still some old BWFC logos (ie ribbon badge) still on the windows of the suites?
why does the East Stand still say Macron in the seat pattern?
will we be hosting rugby again?I despair sometimes at some of the things going through folk's minds.
On a positive note, the hotel has already got more than double the events booked for the coming year than for the last one.
Then they had the raffle and that was it.
My thoughts were that if it had been promoted properly, there'd have been hundreds there putting ore money in the bar till, just like Mr Mason was asking us to!
Goslin not Gosling.
I once tried quite hard to get the Grauniad's David Conn to do a piece on Harry Goslin, the Burnden Park disaster and how Harry's son, Bob, prevented a disaster at Hillsborough in 1981.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/sheffield-wednesday-chairman-said-bks-7392874
Conn wouldn't print the story but how come the Beeno knew none of this when Bob died in 2008?
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/3626999.former-police-chief-dies-after-illness/
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On 24/09/2019 at 17:25, Mounts Kipper said:
Yes I am happy with this appointment same old muppets will be along soon to call fouls because he’s PG son.
Two things we can agree on.
Taken from a comment on AG's appointment on another site:
'' social media is abound by those who don't know the first thing about anything, sounding off their annoyance at his appointment. We truly are surrounded by 4ucking imbeciles''.
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10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:
I think the club, the BWSA and the trust should work together to make sure BWFC go forward all together and all with the same vision and goal for the club.
Just like Brexiteers and Remainers should work together with the same vision and goal for the country? I think BWSA are just ordinary supporters who want to support the club but in a different way from unrealistic whingers motivated by pie in the sky ideology.
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1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:
That’s a meeting that I’d have gone too, was it publicised anywhere? Never saw any mention from the club, Bolton news or the BWSA, seems it was hardly publicised, it’s no wonder no one goes to these meetings when there’s hardly any publicity. Great news on the fanzine, but what and when will the new owners announce the exciting plans they mentioned at the time of the takeover? Just checked The BWSA sent 3/4 tweets yesterday but that’s about the sum of it no tweets from BWFC non from Marc Iles, surely every BWFC season ticket holder should have been emailed directly by the club about this event.
Its true enough that BWSA are more low profile than the vain and worthless BWFCST but are you a member?
Some of the 'leading lights' of the ST tried to take control of BWSA a few years back. I believe it didn't go down well.
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14 hours ago, Sluffy said:
Err, thank you for your comments I guess, although I'm not absolutely sure of the point you are making from events of 20 odd years ago?
The point I was attempting to originally make was that a financially secured club determines ultimately what happens on the pitch - Christ have we learned nothing at all from Bury's demise and our squeaky bum escape from the same fate?
In the league we might have started on minus 12 points but as a business the club in real life also started on minus £20m, which needs to be found and paid back when it becomes due in three years time.
It's not unreasonable to believe that wont be achievable by footballing endeavours alone - with or without a Rioch or Allardyce - particularly at third/fourth tier level?
Bury got promoted last year remember for all the good it eventually did them in the end!
So either we need to have a benevolent owner in the Eddie Davies mould willing to defer or write the amount off, or more than likely develop and sell assets such as the stadium and/or land.
I humbly suggest therefore that the financial driver for the business is more likely to be focused away from the pitch than on it.
That's all I've attempted to say.
I thnk you'll find, Sluffy, that those who lack any sense of realism or objectivity now have probably been exactly the same throughout their adult lives and are destined to remain no different for the rest of it. Twenty years ago I wondered how the club expected to repay, or at least reduce, the debt taken on to build the Reebok whilst Allardici and the Daydreamers could only think about doubling it in the vain hope of competing with moneybags Liverpool for a Champions League spot.
After Allardyce flounced out announcing he was taking a break from football, only to turn up at Newcastle in next to no time on a £3m p.a. salary, ED was obliged to more than double the debt to just hang on to Premiership status. He paid it all off a few years later but that, as they say, was only the beginning of the fortune ED spent trying to keep BWFC afloat until the day he died.
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On 23/09/2019 at 08:46, Mounts Kipper said:
No I don’t know what the monthly costs are except they will be a million miles from last time and I expect the new owners to try to match income to expenditure so that they can pay suppliers and staff, unlike your hero.
Dear me, nightingale was only person in the trust having a pop at MJ, do you think that he speaks for all the board and all the members?
And yes I’m in favour of BWFC having a supporters trust, they connect with the new owner now we’ve got a decent owner and I’m sure that they can work together to try to help each other and improve the matchday experience and on community and club projects.
My 'hero' as you put it just happens to be one of two people I described at a public meeting as chancers. In that respect I never changed my views about either of them but I did recognise that one was a chancer with something to offer whilst the other cost the club a small fortune for doing precisely nothing except for landing it with a loan the club could not repay at interest rates it could never afford .
Nightingale certainly wasn't speaking for this member but there wasn't the slightest indication that he was expressing views contrary to those with whom he was sharing a platform and I don't believe for one moment that he would have come out with that tripe if it had not been the subject of prior discussion and 'nodding of heads' amongst them.
Did you mean the club now has a decent chairman? Sharon is not the owner but she is one of only two directors, the other being the subject of outrageous ST vitriol. I'm sure she's too polite to react in the same way as her predecessor but I have no doubt that she will have taken appropriate note.
As for your 'million miles' your knowledge of football finance (BWFC or anyone else) seems to be on a par with the ST board (i.e. negligible) but for the benefit of anyone who might be interested, the total revenues of League 1 clubs in 2017/18 was £146m (average £6m per club) with 94% of that (average £5.7m per club) spent on wages.
Championship clubs (excepting BWFC) had an average annual loss of £15m in 2017/18 which makes BWFC's loss of £4m over two years look good by comparison. (Source: Deloitte Annual Review of Football Finance 2019).
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3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:
Our wage bill is tiny compared to a the last time we were in league 1. No reason we can’t match our income to our expenditure and be competitive.
Isn't there? How in League 1 are you going to increase income beyond 8.3M? We had an average matchday attendance of 15,194 last time we were in League 1.
How much are you going to save on running costs whilst still providing similar facilities and services?
And all that's before you've paid a penny on wages. Wages costs are bound to be much less, but do you have any idea what the current monthly costs are?
On another point, did you notice how Sharon heaped praise on Michael James, the Supporters Trust's public enemy number two? Are you btw still a fan of the ST?
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6 hours ago, Mannyroader said:
Yes, I saw that figure too. If only there was a 40K profit every time there was a match on.
Just a gentle reminder that the last time we were in League1 our total income was 8.3m and our expenditure (excluding 12.6m wages) was 8.9m. So, unless Sharon is able to massively reduce costs, I think that we can safely conclude that much of the current wages (including permanent staff) will be paid out of borrowed money.
There's no obvious alternative but haven't we been there before? Sharon seems enthusiastic and sincere but what's the plan she's put to the investors/lenders? How do they get their money back?
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On 13/09/2019 at 03:35, Mannyroader said:
Sharon certainly talks the talk, but beyond sentimentalised, vague and abstract concepts can anyone truly say what the business model is? I heard her say she was going to put her own money in but does she intend to get a return and how and when? Without wishing to pee all over anybody's fireworks, I do think it is really important for the supporters and employees to know more of the detail. Time will tell, I suppose.
I think yours is one of the more interesting comments on the FV Ownership Model but if you are a BWFC shareholder, season ticket holder, or Lifeline member its none of your business according to the WW consensus.
Anyway the truth is that Michael and Sharon both own less than 25% of the 1.75m paid up share capital which might just about cover the administrators' fees and Ken's 240K for God knows what. The rest is borrowed money that with good luck and a following wind might just about keep the wolf from the door for the next couple of years. I'm sure there'll be a plan beyond that. Let's hope its a good un.
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Why do goalies guess at pens? I don't remember Hoppy doing that and he saved a lot. Easy save for Matthews if he'd just stayed put.
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2 hours ago, Boby Brno said:
December 27th 1975. Division 2 (Championship) 42680 on Burnden. I was there. Anyone else?
Me too behind the goals on th'Embankment just 21 years since migrating from t'Lever End. Bigger steps and better view on th'Embankment in pre-Normid days.
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1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:
Why do you keep coming on then?
The likes of Biggish have a life beyond work, and perhaps just enjoy a bit of banter and a beer. Don't need to present in depth analyses of things, as maybe they're not that arsed.
Find another place that's more in tune to your sensitivities.
Sorry pal but I can't say that I recall seeing much of interest on your tabletop either. But I have noted contributions of interest from others on this topic.
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10 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said:
Sluffy - you aren't the the prime obsessive with Iles. You just get lumped in with Custard because you have a similar outlook. Your styles have similarities too, though you aren't condescending like him.
In terms of folk commenting on your word count, any comnents I have made on it are a direct response to you complaining that you have to repeat yourself and my belief that you would get your points over to a bigger audience if you cut it down.
Benny, Escobarp, Biggish and Eddie discuss finance concepts more succinctly and are well received. Any criticism from me, and probably many others is intended to be constructive.
Hope everything goes okay and hope to see you on here discussing football on here rather than finances, not because of your style, but because football is the real reason we are all here.
Get well soon fellow Wanderer.
I don't share George Bower's views on many things but it is true that I once described WW as being like a car boot sale. Most of what you see is worthless tat but occasionally you come across something interesting. (In case you don't remember, GB used a four-letter word instead of my three.)
It is possible that I may have missed some hidden gem but I honestly cannot say that I recall ever seeing anything on your's or Biggish Dave's tabletop that have been worth a second glance.
But never say die, you or he could try explaining the 'FV ownership model' to us all (in words and figures, of course).
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On 13/09/2019 at 23:40, Sluffy said:
Chemotherapy if you must know.
Does it make you feel really pleased with yourself trolling me now?
Really sorry to hear that, Sluffy. Get well soon. I'll be thinking of you.
Hasta luego, amigo
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1 hour ago, Morizio said:
There’s an official club post on FB where you can air your views and further your life’s work and cause.
Dont think you will will though😉
Two small voices speaking out against the gormless propaganda of Eyewash Iles and the ST dunderheads and you just can't handle it.
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1 minute ago, RoadRunnerFan said:
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Who the fcuk do you think you are?
I've backed up my view by giving a simple, well known and understood example.
I'm not going to answer any of your points you condescending old prune.
That is all.
You won't because you can't. The world is very simple to those who can't think beyond the first thing that comes into their heads.
The Times article - Eddie Davies
in Terrace Talk
Posted · Edited by Chris Custodiet
There I am, agreeing with you 100% again. Becoming a bit of a habit.
Sue was not Eddie's first wife nor the mother of his two children but they were together for over thirty years and I've no doubt that she was absolutely devoted to him and devastated by his loss. I'm sure his whole family have felt the same.