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Do you think we'll actually sell out the full allocation?

Honestly find it sad that Bolton fans seem to have accepted this man's injustices. I feel that other clubs would have been much quicker to stage demonstrations outsides his restaurants etc.

I was recently speaking to a board member from Nottingham Forest and he claims that at one point the club increased its season ticket number by almost 5,000 through the support of supporters clubs. I feel like there need to be additional supporters groups that challenge the Supporter's Trust into either being something or pissing off.

I honestly think it's a real shame that a legitimate supporter's trust doesn't exist. I remember being excited about it when it first came out, but it seems be nothing but a disappointment.

:lol: very well could be a wind up. But I found it interesting that he said that on Twitter early in the morning (when you'd pick up a load) and didn't reply to messages until the afternoon. Maybe he was actually driving around! But honestly who knows

The guy who claimed he delivered it said it wasn't turned back.

I agree that you don't need to be the best and that the experience can still be just as good, but with a multi-tier system a salary cap might be too hard. You would have to have different caps for different tiers of the league. If a team is relegated, it may suddenly have a salary cap that's not eligible, which means that you wouldn't be able to sign players to multi-year contracts effectively. On the other hand, if you just had a salary cap for all teams at every level, lower level clubs would still outspend their means.

Exactly. Salary cap will never work if you intention is to be a dominant force in the sport -- otherwise China would be able to quickly replicate a top league by offering more money. USA sports benefit from being the only top-paying option in each major sport (NFL, NBA, MLB). It seems like an impossible problem in many ways: 1. You can't impose a salary cap if you want to remain the top league (or one of the top leagues). 2. FFP is easy to get around for many clubs, and doesn't seem fit for purpose. But my main gripe is that is further separates bigger and smaller clubs by preventing well-intentioned investment. The clubs that have largest revenue streams at the point of FFP's inception automatically benefit from spending abilities that allow them to move beyond other clubs. 3. On the other hand, without FFP you have owners who load clubs up with debt in an effort to push forward. If things don't work out, or the owner isn't as rich as he appears, then issues like ours are created. 4. Many people then want to blame the EFL for poor management of the situation. And while Shaun Harvey is as useless as they come, the EFL is right to assert that in many cases alternative owners are not possible. If no one else wanted to buy us when Holdsworth took over, he was our only option and the EFL had to accept that. The problem is that there aren't enough people willing to throw fortunes away on lower level clubs. The cost of players and salaries is simply too high now to be enjoyable for many multi-millionaires that may have previously considered it. Unfortunately, it appears football is a victim of its own success. Its global presence means that England can't dictate it's own rules. It has to deal with a global market if it wants to remain the center of the game.

The funny thing is I'm not a miserable git, I'm probably one of the most optimistic people on here. I'm just explaining the reality of why some people may not find it an attractive investment opportunity (especially when they have no emotive attraction to the club). I'm not saying it can't be turned around, in fact I don't think it would take much to restore the positive attitude around the club. But an outsider looking in might not think so in its current state. Hopefully FV can complete the deal, restore some faith in the club, move us slightly forward, and sell us to someone who now sees a reason to invest more cash.

Too much debt, crap fan turnout (even in Prem), stadium in the middle of nowhere, high chance we end up in League 2, money hole for what may never be a prem club again. Even if we did make it back to prem, we'd probably have lowest crowds outside Bournemouth (and that's only due to the size of their stadium.

Yeah and I would be against it. The amount of money and time invested in players shouldn't be discounted in times of hardship. The EFL shouldn't be open to this.

And I can see why they're trying to make that point. I understand why players walked, as no one else would continue to work for free for such a long period of time. But I think some of the real culprits in the last couple months are other clubs. While it's not their fault that we're folding, they're certainly quick to tap players off and act as vultures while it's critical that we retain any value that we can. I have no sympathy from the likes of Celtic and other bigger names that tap players for free deals (or next to free) when a club is on the verge of insolvency.

Look -- the club is on a fine wire. I know owe love BWFC, but it doesn't mean that it's an attractive opportunity for a rich buyer. FV have come in and are trying to drive a hard bargain because it will be a small margin that makes this doable. They've accepted that they won't be in the Championship for two seasons, and may even end up in League 2. It's critical to ensure that they can derive as much value from the deal as possible.

If he's earning interest on secured debt and failing to pay a single unsecured creditor (even families hosting scholars), he doesn't deserve a hefty salary. That's the reality. If it comes out that he's taken a huge salary while screwing over everyone else, then it's further proof he's a total piece of sh. End of.

I truly never understand this hate for Allardyce. Proves nothing is ever good enough for anyone.