enzo gambaro Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6729673.stm Tidy blonde lass binned after Enoch-style rant. Or not.
no balls Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6729673.stm Tidy blonde lass binned after Enoch-style rant. Or not. Well, Snoop and his homies use it all the time....cue another 5/6 page thread......
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Channel 4 has taken action before anyone could get on their backs as happened with that Shilpa bird. However i can't help feel they have over reacted, the quote in context wasn't a nasty or vindictive one. Something that is obvious to anyone who will actually read the whole story. Cue the papers with racism frenzy headlines....
HomerJay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 the comment does seem to have been blown out of all proportion...
bwfczoe Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I have asked a "Black" mate taxi driver about this before now The use of the word "Nigger" between themselves is deemed ok as they use it in the same context as "mate" or "brother" whereas when we use it its deemed racist because we are not using it for the same reason, we are using it due to his colour These were his words not mine! I asked him this question due to a song he had on in his car that frequently used the word "Nigger" and asked him what the difference was between him using it and us using it and that above was his reply He asked what would I say if he called me a white honky and to be honest that personally would not bother me but might others?? Dont know if you lot agree with this or not to be honest I personally dont use the word but some on here may but not meant racist?
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I'm just wondering but if Nikki the asian catholic would have said the same thing to this Charley girl would it have been such a big deal?? I'm guessing no, but i don't see why that would be different??
HomerJay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I have asked a "Black" mate taxi driver about this before now The use of the word "Nigger" between themselves is deemed ok as they use it in the same context as "mate" or "brother" whereas when we use it its deemed racist because we are not using it for the same reason, we are using it due to his colour These were his words not mine! I asked him this question due to a song he had on in his car that frequently used the word "Nigger" and asked him what the difference was between him using it and us using it and that above was his reply He asked what would I say if he called me a white honky and to be honest that personally would not bother me but might others?? Dont know if you lot agree with this or not to be honest I personally dont use the word but some on here may but not meant racist? so can i (a white honky) not call my black mate, nigga?
Crawley White Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 so can i (a white honky) not call my black mate, nigga? We've have this debate before....
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) so can i (a white honky) not call my black mate, nigga? I think you can call your mate whatever you want Homer, if he isn't offended by it then nobody can be. Regardless of what other people think, if he is happy with it then there isn't a problem for anyone else to get invloved in. A nigger comment to someone you weren't especially close to would be offensive. People seem content on walking on egg shells in this country about whats right and wrong, all because those "guardians" of political correctness shout louder and make more fuss than anyone else. What happened to a little common sense??? Edited June 7, 2007 by jimmyjoojar
bwfczoe Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 so can i (a white honky) not call my black mate, nigga? In a word No because you are not black Its only blacks that can use it to other blacks as far as I understand it Whereas when we use it its used in a different context completely Dont shoot the messenger I just thought I would tell you what he told me
Smiffs Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Load of old politically correct b?llocks. If blacks want the N word in their own society as a 'normal' word then they can't whinge when it becomes mainstream in the same context. To walk up to one and say 'oi n?gger, polish my shoes then f?ck off', or other such insult, is totally different.
bwfczoe Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) Load of old politically correct b?llocks. If blacks want the N word in their own society as a 'normal' word then they can't whinge when it becomes mainstream in the same context. To walk up to one and say 'oi n?gger, polish my shoes then f?ck off', or other such insult, is totally different. I know exactly what you mean, but I suppose you would have to be a good mate of his/hers to be able to use the word in that context Like you say, if it was just some random person you said it to, then it would be offensive I love a good old debate not posted any decent stuff on here for ages (not saying my posts are decent but most I have wrote on here in ages) Edited June 7, 2007 by bwfczoe
cbwfcd Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Its only blacks that can use it to other blacks as far as I understand it Thats racist!!! Not shooting the messenger because I know your right. But isn't it ironic that we cant say a word because its deemed racism when its racist to discriminate the use of a word over skin colour.
HomerJay Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 so saying all that... 1) was that bird right to say it? 2) was she right to be chucked out? i suppose only the black bird in question could answer...
bwfczoe Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) Thats racist!!! Not shooting the messenger because I know your right. But isn't it ironic that we cant say a word because its deemed racism when its racist to discriminate the use of a word over skin colour. Ok I know what your getting hard to explain myself on that one I will re-phrase its only Indians/asians/Jamaicans etc that can use that word in that context to each other I personally am not intentionally racist as I work for Indians and even one of the sales reps here calls others P*ki but its ok for him to do it?? Edited June 7, 2007 by bwfczoe
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 1) was that bird right to say it? NO 2) was she right to be chucked out? NO
Crawley White Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 May I please submit my previous post on this matter... It actually about power and the context. Black Americans starting using the word 'nigger' to greet each other as a way of taking control over a word that had been used, historically, in a racist and demeaning context. That still doesn't mean it is right that people not operating in that social construct to use the word 'Nigger' and expect it not to sound racist. For a non race example some young disabled people like to greet each other, calling themselves 'Cripple', as it is a derogatory term and there way of taking power over a word that demeans them. Once again it is not right for me to do this because the context would be wrong and I would just be exacerbating the problem. Once again, I don't think this is about PC going mad (whatever the hell that means) I think this is about nowadays it is not right to call a black person Sambo or every person who Asian a P'aki. And as I've said before - this is A Good Thing!
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 but its ok for him to do it?? Is it f?ck, thats the bloody problem the assumption that non-whites can use such words for other races yet a white person would be labelled a racist!!! It can't work both ways, i do get a feeling though that most of the people banging the race drum aren't actually those that are affected by racism. You know the white middle class types i mean......
Crawley White Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Is it f?ck, thats the bloody problem the assumption that non-whites can use such words for other races yet a white person would be labelled a racist!!! It can't work both ways, i do get a feeling though that most of the people banging the race drum aren't actually those that are affected by racism. You know the white middle class types i mean...... And I take it you're subjected to racism every day of your life? You know, those bigoted idiot types I mean....
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) And I take it you're subjected to racism every day of your life? You know, those bigoted idiot types I mean.... Have I caught a little un when i wasn't even trying. I wasn't making reference to you Crawley, but its funny that you do consider yourself one of those people Crawley, i could put the question back to you. Are you subjected to racism every day? I'm pally with a great deal of people from different ethnic backgrounds and none of them are subjected to racism every day either..... Edited June 7, 2007 by jimmyjoojar
Guest as Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 I can't imagine black/yellow/brown people refer to us in the nicest way, so racism does actually work both ways. The problem seems to stem from white pople blowing everything out of proportion, some like to label other racist to make themsleves feel better, others just have nothing going on in their own sad lives & like to point the finger for the sake of it. I doubt the comment was made with any spite in it, she's just a posh bird who didn't understand that it's illegal to make such a comment to a 'minority'. I hope this isn't going to be another thread where CW gets on his soap box and starts pointing the finger at others........
Guest as Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Have a caught a little un when i wasn't even trying. I wasn't making reference to you Crawley, but its funny that you do consider yourself one of those people Crawley, i could put the question back to you. Are you subjected to racism every day? I'm pally with a great deal of people from different ethnic backgrounds and none of them are subjected to racism every day either..... He's had to put up with race issues all his life, coming from a middle-class Smithills background and all....... ::::::::::::
jimmyjoojar Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) I hope this isn't going to be another thread where CW gets on his soap box Does he ever get off it? Maybe not on this occasion but i'm sure Crawley deliberately takes an opposing view just to amuse himself, and make himself feel good about being such a wonderful well rounded decent human being. Edited June 7, 2007 by jimmyjoojar
Crawley White Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 Have I caught a little un when i wasn't even trying. I wasn't making reference to you Crawley, but its funny that you do consider yourself one of those people Crawley, i could put the question back to you. Are you subjected to racism every day? I'm pally with a great deal of people from different ethnic backgrounds and none of them are subjected to racism every day either..... To be honest that wasn't the question you where asking. You were talking about people who where not from areas with high ethnic diversity (and therefore a fair chance that a high % would be low wage earners) not understanding the probelms of living in a mutlicultral society because they have an income that allows them to separate themselves from the day to day exsistance in Britains poorer areas. However, they then have the temerity to claim that we live in a multicultural, secular haven, when you believe this not to be the reality at all. The rest of your witterings come across as ignorant piffle I'm afraid!
Crawley White Posted June 7, 2007 Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) Does he ever get off it? Maybe not on this occasion but i'm sure Crawley deliberately takes an opposing view just to amuse himself, and make himself feel good about being such a wonderful well rounded decent human being. Probably the most insightful thing you've written. Edited June 7, 2007 by Crawley White
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