anguspm

Sure, my season ticket is below where you guys were... The bottles being thrown at the atleti fans in my section didn?t come from the atleti fans or the police... When things kicked off inside the stadium about 80% of the bolton fans went to the back of the stand... the other 20% went for both the police and throwing just about anything they could at whoever they could... For that reason I say no one comes out with any credit and there?s a lot to be learnt... The Spanish lass next to me narowly avoided a white plastic seat that came from the upper stand... hence free for all between: Ultras vs Police, Police vs Bolton, Bolton vs Atelti fans and finally Ultras vs Bolton.... One big f?n free for all. I?m not going to defend anyone however whiter than white is not the case for everyone there last night.... As for who started it... Both bolton and Atleti fans are saying it was the police!

I?ve photos of most of the goings ons... lets be honest and say there were some bloody idiots on both sides and the police haven?t got a clue... The Aberdeen game was a different story as the Dons fans were attacked, pure and simple... Last night however was a real old school free for all and I?m not surprised the police went in indescriminately. IMO Atleti have aa lot to blame for in that they can?t organise effective segregation to save their lives. By the same measure the british consulate in Madrid isn?t interested in organising safe areas / routes or providing effective travel advice... So much to be learnt in many quarters. It appears that the only lesson learnt from the Aberdeen game was to keep you guys behind and clear the atleti fans from around the ground... by force. Believe me when I say Atleti fans aren?t happy with the way they were treated either. Finally, when things went off inside the Ultras Fondo sur the rest of the ground was chanting "fuera, fuera" thats to say "get out" to the police... Not an enjoyable night (although pre match with your fans was) and I don?t even have the comfort of a result to make up for it in some small way!!

Hi Guys, Photos are up http://www.madrid-guide-spain.com/atletico...rid-bolton.html I?ve purposely left out the photos of the troubles this evening (I guess alot of the guys over here have family, friends and professions back home)... Lets just say I don?t think anyone can come of this evening with any credit... That means heavy handed police, pished up and spoiling for something lads (one or two had better lay off the bravery sherberts) and of course the respondse from some of the atleti fans... Best of luck for the rest of the competition! Cheers, Angus

This could be a long debate... Because segregation isn?t necessary due to low numbers of away fans here... now the Spanish story is: "If they all had seats why did the Bolton fans have to move the atleti season ticket holders from in fornt of them..." Baton charges... yes... But I don?t think you got shot with the rubber bullets post match... we did... It was all due to the police being very heavy handed with the ultras before the game "apparently" the police did over a group of ultras in the toilets before the game... Hence the protest from the ultras by leaving the center of the stand... complicated and lets be honest... no one comes out with any credit! Enjoy the competition and the very best of luck! Baton charge edited to show photo in Public album

And if you prefer to buy direct from the club instead of inflated tout prices.... http://www.madrid-guide-spain.com/Atletico...id-tickets.html

I did wander how long it would be before that came up....

Try this... it?ll show you how to purchase the tickets direct from the Facist bastards up the road grrrrrr

No idea where you?ll find one of them...

Whooops.... Should have been in the beer section but regarding the availability of "Sangria" ---Nope, is 5hit they put out for the tourists on the coast... What you want is: Calimocho (red wine and Coca Cola... Get pished and keeps you going all night as well) The typical "Beer Tower" is available in Alonso Martinez and is sold by the Meter (Approx 6 pints) at 8? a meter. The same with Calimocho is 12? a meter. With Rum / Whiskey / Voka and Coke 16?.... Of course if you do the manly thing and get the 3 Meter Tower it works out Cheaper (Its not actually 3 Meters tall but instead has a bigger diameter)

Discos ****IMPORTANT: A club in Spain is a whorehouse. A disco is a nightclub. Always say "Disco"**** The infamous "Fontana de Oro" is the place for most.... 5? to get in with first drink free after 0300... before 0300 free to enter.... It?s not a Disco disco but more of a large bar with a dancefloor and dj... two levels. Tourist meat market always on the go.... Hookers there as well if thats your style.. Normally full of drunks... Its a typical Uk style club. Its also next door to a Salsa disco, Cuban disco Bar and two Irish / american student bar discos.... lets be honest if its casual dress code, cheapish beer and the possibility of finding owt, this is the area... Calle de la Victoria Alternatively: Calle de las Huertas & Calle Santa Maria.... There are a few hundred small places that are constantly changing their theme, grove and style monthly and the crowd tends to drift from one to another. You?ll be sure to find what you?re looking for in this area. Jazz, blues, punk, rock, electro, rave, house, hardcore and everything from frisky young fillies to coked up grannies... Dress code: For the more fashionable discos (Kapital, Joy, palacio etc etc) you?ll need shoes and a shirt on Friday and Saturady nights. Thursday nights and everywhere else its as you like. One thing to remember though is that the Spanish are a very well presented / dressy type of people so if you turn up in footy top, old jeans and trainers they?ll let you in but there?ll be little interest from the fairer sex... Thats assuming of sourse you?re not born ugly in the first place... Concerts / theater etc etc www.guiadelocio.com Then Madrid.... Conciertos, teatros etc etc.... Its the bible!

10? for a "turkey", 20? plus for the works Couldn?t really say how good .... been known to get the job done though... Gran Via (0001 - 0700) and Calle Montoya (24hrs) are the normal working hours, bank holidays and weekends included. Selection includes your standard East european compliment along with a hint of the exotic provided by those of African origin who?ve crossed the Straights of Gibralter. Genuine Spanish ladies engaged in the worlds oldest profession are hard to find save the type you would offer your shaving kit too before considering making a purchase.

Drinking (lets start with the important stuff ) 24hr drinking - Bars 0800 - 0400, Discos: 1200 - 0600/0700 & 0900 After Clubs (Special discos to go to when the normal discos close and shielded from all sense of time and light) 0600 - 1700 Beer - Non alcoholic inside the ground.... plenty of places to "tank up" before arrival at the stadium though... Best bars: Plaza santa Ana, Sol, Gran Via, Alonso Martinez (Four distinct areas that blend into one big area) Lagers (thats all they serve in Spain except for the Irish muck in plastic paddy bars) that are most common and in order from best to worst: Alhambra Mahou Classica (The green one) Mahou 5 Estrellas (The red one) Heineken .... Stuff gets everywhere Wife beater, sorry Stella Estrella damm & finally that which I wouldn?t even wash my "Don Juan" in... and its been some bloody horrible places in its time.... CRUZCAMPO. Put another way this is the anti christ of Lager, it contains more gas than Coca cola, less "body" than an anorexic hunger striker, less flavour than a black pudding masquerading as a haggis on Burns night and it comes out the same colour it goes in. Christ, even a eunuch could get a lob on after twenty pints of this stuff.... Other interests Gay: Chueca Women: Natives are very unlikly to try anything on the first date.... Bobby Moores openly soliciting trade 24hrs a day. Strip joints.... One: Teatro Oz (next to the stadium of the Vikingos) English language Madrile?os = people from Madrid Madridistas = fans of that mob up the road Anti Madridistas = My lot English has been obligatory in the Spanish schools now for the last 20 years mandating at least 4 years of courses. The English level of those under 35 is very good however for those over this age French was what was taught. In the center you?ll find that most of the tourist shops, snack bars and hotels are in the main staffed by South Americans or Chinese / African imigrants. Here things are a little more hit and miss although a little sign language should be enough.

Hi Guys, The following are the replies to questions from the Aberdeen fans about Madrid before their game in the last round. Whilst I appreciate that things might be all over before the 2nd leg (ducks rapidly) for those of you coming over these could be useful pointers. If that doesn?t answer your questions simply post them here and I?ll try and advise as best as possible. Yours in Sport, Angus Macleod

Got to love those "keyboard warriors".... :p Bars, 24hr drinking, thursday night is party night.... what more do you want ?

2kms total walk downhill.... if your not in any great condition its around 4? for a cab....