http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2642646,00.html

 

Sam Allardyce has called on West Ham United to increase their offer for Kieron Dyer.

The Newcastle United midfielder appeared to be on his way to Upton Park after Alan Curbishley claimed terms had been agreed for a transfer.

But, speaking on Saturday, Curbishley revealed that Newcastle had 'pulled' the deal at the 11th hour and did not expect it to be revived.

Allardyce has confirmed the switch is currently off, but is open to an improved bid from West Ham.

The Magpies manager was also unhappy with Curbishley's comments about the situation and says Newcastle have more right to feel aggrieved than The Hammers do.

"In the end we decided he was under-valued and escalated it and West Ham didn't want to roll with us over what we thought was realistic," said Allardyce after Newcastle's win over Sampdoria.

"So he is back with us - a top player with a squad that is growing.

"It's life isn't it? He has got a contract. You can go back and get on with it.

"It is not a hard life is it? It is pressurised, but it is not a hard life. He will come back and do his best and go forward.

"If anything happens in terms of West Ham increasing their offer then great, but if they don't, they clearly don't value him as highly as we do.

"They're not as upset as we are with West Ham. That is private and confidential, but if Curbs started it then we are more upset than they are and that is a fact."

 

Am I being naive or is this like ordering a new car, then on the day before you're due to pick it up from the showroom they tell you they undersold it and want ?x extra? If they said it was ?x then this price should stay, should it not?

Is this the way to do business?

It isn't, but this is what I think happened.

 

West Ham were quoted a price that didn't initially include a cut for Sam and Craig.

Allardyce spotted this at the contract stage and had it amended.

What a turd he is. Still, not too fussed anyway.

Ha ha ha!

 

The grass isn't always greener, Sam.

 

Newcastle are a big club, but he should have held out for a better club if he was going to leave us.

 

Oh well, he'll no doubt get a job as a media pundit in the near future ::::::::::

Wasn't it Newcastle's chairman who decided they weren't asking enough for Dyer and upped the price at the last minute? Newcastle's debts are reported to be ?80M and it appears that they are desparate to reduce them. Allardyce obviously thought that he would have an open cheque book when Fat Freddie offered him the job, but it appears that he has had the misfortune to arrive just as the spending stops. By all accounts, our budget is as big as Newcastle's this summer!

im pretty confident that sam would have fook all to do with the price of players, yes he may be asked for an opinion but i dont it goes any further than that.

They've had bad financial news lately, and thought 'West Ham are MUUUGGSSS (idiots) so let's screw em at the last minute for a bit more'

 

 

I wish West Ham had paid it really

 

Sharp practice though, very sharp...nowt to do with Sam I'm sure and he'll be peeved taht he's now stuck with Dyer taking up a big chunk of his budget

It isn't, but this is what I think happened.

 

West Ham were quoted a price that didn't initially include a cut for Sam and Craig.

Allardyce spotted this at the contract stage and had it amended.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/08/..._the_style.html

 

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Sam Allardyce has walked into a series of small storms at Newcastle, and may need to change to satisfy Toon fans.

Louise TaylorAugust 6, 2007 1:53 AM

Sam Allardyce's players have been toning their muscles by standing on brand-new vibrating machines which, according to one, "turn your insides to burning liquid and make you feel as if you're trapped on top of an express train".

 

Perhaps ominously for Newcastle United's new manager, such disconcerting sensations will be anything but unfamiliar to his recent predecessors. Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Sir Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness and Glenn Roeder may never have perched on one of those high-tech training-ground toys but they know all about the feelings of powerlessness which have long been synonymous with managing English football's great underachievers.

 

Not for nothing are Newcastle deemed a "high risk" post but Allardyce's challenge is to debunk this gloomy perception by securing the club's first piece of serious silverware since the 1969 Fairs Cup.

 

A man who has been known to sign letters "Big Sam", he definitely does not lack the confidence but only time will tell whether the former Bolton manager is big enough for one of the game's warmest hot seats. Whereas his predecessors contended with the foibles of Freddy Shepherd, who handed him the job, Allardyce must answer to the sportswear retail tycoon Mike Ashley, Newcastle's new owner.

 

On Friday Ashley bizarrely intervened in Kieron Dyer's agreed ?6m transfer to West Ham, inflating the price to ?8m at the last minute. The deal collapsed, apparently mystifying a disappointed Allardyce who reputedly could not believe his luck in securing ?6m for an unwanted midfielder with a history of illness and injury.

 

After seeing Alan Smith score on his debut here yesterday - the former Manchester United forward headed home a corner as Sampdoria were beaten 1-0 - Allardyce toed the party line, insisting "there's no rift". Affecting indignation he added: "We're upset with West Ham; they don't value Kieron as highly as we do.

 

"If Curbs [the West Ham manager, Alan Curbishley] started it then we are more upset than they are. Why? That is confidential.

 

"We decided [Dyer] was undervalued and we escalated the value to what we thought was realistic. Kieron is back with us now. Will it be difficult for Kieron? It's life, isn't it? He has got a contract. You sign it."

 

Nevertheless with Newcastle's debts in excess of ?80m, Allardyce - who expects to complete the signing of the Spain Under- 21 left-back Jos? Enrique for ?6m from Villarreal today - could have done with the Dyer money, if only to prevent further player sales. Tellingly, despite official denials, club sources insist Obafemi Martins is available for transfer.

 

Yet if he is working against a less than ideal backdrop, Allardyce has creditably sketched out a long-term strategy to treat the root causes of Newcastle's travails rather than merely concealing each mini-crisis with "sticking plaster solutions".

 

Having prioritised preventing the multiple injuries to which Newcastle seem peculiarly prone, the manager has forced through sizeable investment in new medical and training facilities - including those vibrating tables. The benefits, though, will not be instant. Michael Owen is sidelined by a thigh strain, Shay Given damaged his groin yesterday and Joey Barton has sustained the sort of non-preventable injury - a fractured foot - which had Gullit claiming the club was cursed.

 

Disciples of science rather than superstition, Allardyce's army of newly hired fitness experts, some poached from Bolton, are concentrating on dragging the club's training methods towards the 21st century, and the highly rated Steve Round has been recruited to a key coaching role.

 

Although there is universal delight at Allardyce's concentration on rebuilding one of the Premiership's most porous defences at the expense of securing the trophy signings traditionally used to paper over significant structural flaws, many fans fear Boltonesque game plans punctuated by interminable long throws and balls crashed towards the corners.

 

Delighted to support a club punching above its weight, Reebok regulars were not overly bothered about Bolton's modus operandi but Geordies weaned on Kevin Keegan-style attacking flair demand much more. Moreover the 4-3-3 system Allardyce utilised in Lancashire could be controversial, particularly with Owen, who does not fancy operating as a wide attacker in a front three. Newcastle were in 4-4-2 mode yesterday and played in a manner suggesting a compromise between Bolton's hallmark aerial blitzes and the pass-and-move game preached by the unlucky Roeder.

 

Not that Allardyce will be in awe of Owen. Although he does not have previous "big club" managerial experience he boasts a proven track record in handling "big name, big ego" players. Already on Tyneside the infuriatingly underachieving Albert Luque is promising to turn over a new leaf and remind everyone why he once played for Spain.

 

Yet if the knack of taming players other managers shun should serve Allardyce well under Ashley's stewardship, he was used to his word going virtually unquestioned at Bolton. It will be different on Tyneside where everyone has a, usually strong, opinion on football and Geordies relish exercising their free speech.

 

As Dalglish can tell him, Allardyce will soon learn that, at Newcastle, "winning ugly" rarely proves quite enough. If all that commendable long-term thinking is to come to fruition, "Big Sam's" football philosophy may need to change.

Is back on apparently. I'll reserve judgement til I've seen him play 10 times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could be a while

it was apparently held up because west ham had 'tapped' dyer up, something they are again being accused of with giles barnes.

 

as a result we put up the price, and look to have won, so well done all round realy.

 

?8m for someone who hardly ever plays, and getting him of the wage bill is a great day for us!

it was apparently held up because west ham had 'tapped' dyer up, something they are again being accused of with giles barnes.

 

as a result we put up the price, and look to have won, so well done all round realy.

 

?8m for someone who hardly ever plays, and getting him of the wage bill is a great day for us!

 

tapping folk up eh?

 

pots n kettles

tapping folk up eh?

 

pots n kettles

 

 

maybe so, it goes on all of the time i reckon, but our new chairman being a solicitor has taken particular offence .

 

i cant think of a time when we have been accused of it however?

 

(ducks)

Now official

I read it was because West Ham officials were ballooning about getting Dyer on the "cheap" - Newcastle didn't like it

 

as if any club would tap up other sam

Now official

Aye, and fair play to you for not paying the escalated fee.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ted/6918873.stm

I read it was because West Ham officials were ballooning about getting Dyer on the "cheap" - Newcastle didn't like it

 

as if any club would tap up other sam

 

So did I

 

Quite funny really....

 

The main thing is West Ham have wasted yet more money on this injury prone joker

Actually think Dyer could be a decent player.

 

It'd be nice if we could find out one way or the other mind.

you'd struggle to find two players as far apart in all they seem to stand for as dyer and faye

Actually think Dyer could be a decent player.

 

It'd be nice if we could find out one way or the other mind.

 

dyer is a very good player, just always bloody injured.