Bigtoe Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 Which of these observations would be classed as a racist slur in the "New" Britain we live these days then.... Characteristics of cultures from around the world..... 1) Chinese people have yellowish skin and eyes that are slanted. 2) Scandanavian people have fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. 3) Afro Caribbean people have black curly hair and thick lips. 4) South American people have dark hair and oily skin. 5) People from Blackburn have 6 fingers. FACT.
Smiley Posted December 15, 2004 Author Posted December 15, 2004 5) People from Blackburn have 6 fingers. FACT. Bigtoe - you racist bastard!
Guest william bear Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 WHITES HIT BY POLICE RACE BIAS.............by geoprge pascoe-watson (deputy political editor) police chiefs are so scared of being labelled racist they are making life hell for white officers, a bombshell report warned last night. it said metropolitan police bosses go out of thier way to discriminate against white cops to avoid claims of bias against minorities......... discuss
jayjayoghani Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 Let me guess - The Sun. Still stirring the working classes I see. There's possibly an element of truth but they always spin it to an extreme. Lets keep the pitchforks in the shed.
Guest william bear Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 Let me guess - The Sun. Still stirring the working classes I see. There's possibly an element of truth but they always spin it to an extreme. Lets keep the pitchforks in the shed. just about the response i expected its the suns fault
jayjayoghani Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 Perhaps quote the rest of the article not written by The Sun? http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-20045...4581010,00.html They are so worried about accusations of ???institutional racism??? that they risk provoking civil war in the service. Ex-TUC supremo Sir Bill Morris said in a hard-hitting study: " Some efforts to promote the message of diversity have been counterproductive and the organisation may now be seeing the beginnings of a backlash. This would be catastrophic ???We have received evidence that managers lack confidence in managing issues of difference of gender, disability, sexual orientation or faith.Some managers lack the confidence to manage black and minority ethnic officers, without being affected by their race. ???The statistics indicate disporportionality in the way black and minority ethnic officers are treated in relation to management of their conduct.??? So it's "some" efforts..... The last sentence explains there is disproportionality. It doesn't say whether this means favourably or unfavourably. Hardly a police service on the brink of "civil war". This is part of an independent inquiry partly aimed at improving and harmonising treatment of its officers. The first stage of that is to identify all inequalities. The Sun has just made it sound like "whites are treated like sh??t cos they're white". The Sun just want to wind people up and confirm their suspicions rather than tell it as it is. For a more balanced article, read... http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/sto...sp?story=593221
Guest william bear Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 Perhaps quote the rest of the article not written by The Sun? http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-20045...4581010,00.html They are so worried about accusations of ???institutional racism??? that they risk provoking civil war in the service. Ex-TUC supremo Sir Bill Morris said in a hard-hitting study: " Some efforts to promote the message of diversity have been counterproductive and the organisation may now be seeing the beginnings of a backlash. This would be catastrophic ???We have received evidence that managers lack confidence in managing issues of difference of gender, disability, sexual orientation or faith.Some managers lack the confidence to manage black and minority ethnic officers, without being affected by their race. ???The statistics indicate disporportionality in the way black and minority ethnic officers are treated in relation to management of their conduct.??? So it's "some" efforts..... The last sentence explains there is disproportionality. It doesn't say whether this means favourably or unfavourably. Hardly a police service on the brink of "civil war". This is part of an independent inquiry partly aimed at improving and harmonising treatment of its officers. The first stage of that is to identify all inequalities. The Sun has just made it sound like "whites are treated like sh??t cos they're white". The Sun just want to wind people up and confirm their suspicions rather than tell it as it is. For a more balanced article, read... http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/sto...sp?story=593221 to many big words for me i know my point and so do you, dressing it up in a fancy article changes nothing. blacks, asians and whites in this country have never been futher apart due to meddling p.c gary nevilles who are becoming more of a cause than a cure. Also pathetic that people who talk about how "liberal" they are, always come accross as so intolerant when faced with something they do not agree with or subscribe to. Intolerance for the sake of tolerance is about as logical as having sex for virginity.
Guest ian Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 that report says aisian/black officers are much likely to be accused of something (twice as likely) but only slightly less likely to be prosecuted once charged, so the charges are just as justified weather black or white or whatever. does that mean that the charges are justified ? and in fact balck/aisian coppers are more likely to be corupt or that white coppers indiscretions are more likely to be ignored ? to sum up how stupid the country is becoming, some companies do not celebrate xmas because it alienates the aisian community, this is a fact. just been for xmas work with wirk, to the local curry house that is running a xmas special. i never heard an aisian in 20+ years of living in bradford object to xmas being celebrated, the only people coming out with such ideas seem to be white middle class do gooders. i am as left wing as anybody on here but the moral minority dictating what is acceptable without even understanding the people they claim to be 'protecting' is as rascist as monkey chanting as far as i am concerned.
HomerJay Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 went to my niece's nativity last night, although the teacher in charge said its just called a "christmas play" and not called a "nativity" any more because thats seen as offensive (thats OFFENSIVE) to muslims... WHAT THE fcuk!!! YA CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!!
Guest william bear Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 seeing as you like reading upper market papers (unashamably stolen).................. Read yesterday about a bloke in the Torygraph that wrote an article suggesting that the blessed Prophet Muhammed was a nonce for marrying one of his wives when she was just 9 year olds (sick fooker). Under forthcoming UK "anti-hate" legislation this bloke could be prosecuted. even a mere mention and the white man faces jail
Maggie Tate Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 That whole law is ridiculous. It essentially says you can't criticise a religion. I could just about live with a lew that stopped you, for instance slagging someone off purely on the basis of their religion but this one is just daft. It's daft to slag a person off for their religion but to not be allowed to criticise the religion itself is madness. It means no more comedians will be allowed to talk about religion, and seeing as religion, all religions, are nothing more than ideas, and we apparently now have no right to criticise ideas where does that leave us? Life of Brian would be banned if it were made tomorrow!! And Father Ted. The diffeent communities in this country are being pushed miles and miles apart by do-gooding idiots persisting in pointing out what we have at odds rather than what we have in common.
Traf Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 A simple question: WHERE DOES THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH END AND THE ANTI-RACISM LAW BEGIN?
frank_spencer Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 During the last world cup at uni. we were all told that putting british/english flags in you window at halls was not allowed as it could be seen as racist! other natioinalities could display their flags as a sign of national pride!! Surprisingly enough nigh on every one then put an england flag in their window in protest, even people who couldnt give a flying fook about football!
Bea Smith Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 The whole situation is appauling. Government meddling, do-gooders and media influence is creating suspicion and hatred. Need to comment on crimewatch on tuesday night( i think it was tue), overwhelming majority of violent crimes/robberies/murders etc, where shown as being carried out by people of erm..........a different ...er.... ethnic background to us.( can i say ethnic? is that allowed). So, does this mean they are more likely to commit crime than me? or is crimewatch blatantly racist for showing them in a bad light? or is it simply a coincidence and next week there may not be any ethnics on at all? About 18 months ago my son brought home a reading book from school entitled 'The Mosque School', i have no problem with that. When it was Diwalli they made beautiful pots, no problem.the school seems well balanced, still has traditional prayers, carries out traditional christmas plays etc. My child and many of yours are growing up in a society of mixed race/culture religon. I want my child to treat people equally and give respect, however, he must also be aware when government meddling places him as a white person at a dis-advantage. The minute the school he attends starts to pet stupid with the pc rubbish, they will make an enemy of me. Hopefully they will remain sensible , but i bet every teacher in there is on tenterhooks all the time. My sons teacher is asian,i have an asian neighbour who is fantastic,i have several asian friends from school who are loyal and true to this country.Personally i cant think of any bad incident i have sufferred because someone was black/asian/polish/welsh etc. So why oh why do i feel they are treated with more care by the government than me???? could it possibly be because....they are?????? I am not racist, i never have been and i am determined that i will not be in the future. For me racism is not the problem, For me the problem is treating people differently.the minute that is done peoples perceptions change and a feeling of unfairness follows, which creates bitterness, hatred etc. Dont focus on the racism shite, focus on the fact that the system is fucked. Example, job vacancy in local council, 3 people apply, one is fully qualified, plenty experience etc. they are white, the council must employ an 'ethnic' so they dont look 'racist', the best person for the job is turned down, therefore we are let down beacuse someone gets the job who will not serve us as well as the experienced person. Woman in the sun newspaper last week, 6 kids, 2 on the way, on benefits, widescreen tv etc. I can find you thousands of asian familys with 6 kids on benefits. But i wont, because that will label me as racist. Im not racist, i am FAIR. Missus C Sick of being told what to say How to act Who to like With no real respect for any government. Feck em.
Bea Smith Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 Just re-read that, ooooohhhh its a bit of a rant, my heartrates up and im all angry. This is exactly what im trying to say, unfairness creates anger-hate etc.which is then 'labelled' as racism'. Tell you what lads, if it was pmt week the laptop would be smashed now i feel so peed off.
Traf Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 Jesus Christ, I wouldn't like to hear you in full flow when it IS rag week! :evil:
Bea Smith Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 Jesus Christ, I wouldn't like to hear you in full flow when it IS rag week! :evil: tell you what traf, ill come to your house, ill let rip at you with the pmt and your missus can hormorne bump you. traf= seeking new accomodation
Guest william bear Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 unfairness creates anger-hate etc.which is then 'labelled' as racism'. i think thats the whole point me and maggie tate are trying to make still, easier to blame the sun etc
Bea Smith Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 unfairness creates anger-hate etc.which is then 'labelled' as racism'. i think thats the whole point me and maggie tate are trying to make still, easier to blame the sun etc yeah, but you didnt get half as stressed out as me writing it though! wasnt trying to pinch your point of view guys, it is possible that i agree with the stuff you have been saying!! and as for the sun, it is basically arse wipe material. was annoyed with the sun the other day, teeny weeny peice on dangerous peodophile on the run, what was on the front page? someone out of eastenders fell over when drunk. kinda think priority and order of importance was screwed there!! gonna have to get a more serious paper. sport is just boobs, sun is poo, the stars daft but doesnt pretend to be anything but. what do you lot read? is the express anygood?
Smiley Posted December 16, 2004 Author Posted December 16, 2004 Which one of the following is now being seen as a racist comment? Which one is never seen as a racist comment? Swedes (Swedish people) Brits (British people) Jocks (Scottish people) asians (asianstani people) Aussies (Australian people) Some of these are nicknames, some just shortened versions of the full word. So why does the "obvious" one now get described as a racist word?
Maggie Tate Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 Because the others are never used in a racist context is why. 'asian' has become, rightly or wrongly, an abusive term. Nigger wasn't a rude word at one time, neither was gollywog.
Bea Smith Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 my lads nanna bought him a golliwog from the isle of wight last week. i was under the impression that they couldnt be sold anymore.
Maggie Tate Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 There's another thing that had a different meaning years ago. If you saw a sign saying 'gollies for sale' you knew you weren't taking home a toy figure.
Smiley Posted December 16, 2004 Author Posted December 16, 2004 My kids called the asianstanis at school asians. I have never instilled this into them. I have also not told them its wrong. Similarly people with glasses get called stuff, so do ginger haired kids, fat kids, skinny kids, etc, etc. Its back to the issues of just picking up on characteristics. Only time I think asian is used in a derogatory way is when its wrongly aimed at Indian people. Jeeessssuuuusss. That must really piss them off. There is still loads of unrest, violence and murder happening every day between the two races in India/asianstan. I watched a documentary t'other day - didn't realise what a mess it was when they split the country back in the 40s/50s. Over a million people killed.
Guest william bear Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 i've made me mind up, you cunts ain't seeing my point so i just hate people maggie
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