paulhanley

When you see scenes like that it makes you realise what could have been in the 80s following on from a comparitively successful 70s

There was no actual trouble on the film. Just a constant procession of Bolton fans being walked around the front of their terrace unhindered. Quite an odd sight.

Must be 3000 in the away end and another 1,000 in the home end!

All on that grass slope. No barriers. Healf and safety not yet gone mad!

I put the 90th minute Tony Caldwell goal from our Northern Final first leg win at Springfield Park on You Tube about a year ago. He's a more extended video of that game. I've focused a little more on the crowd than the match in some parts. Very noticeable that for a lot of the first half there's a constant procession of Bolton fans being herded from the home ends in to the away end - right along the front of their main side terrace. At one point you can see the Wigan fans back off. Great scenes at the end with a mini-pitch invasion of Bolton fans who were still in the home end - followed by happy Bolton fans leaving the ground in to the terraced streets.

I put the 90th minute Tony Caldwell goal from our Northern Final first leg win at Springfield Park on You Tube about a year ago. He's a more extended video of that game. I've focused a little more on the crowd than the match in some parts. Very noticeable that for a lot of the first half there's a constant procession of Bolton fans being herded from the home ends in to the away end - right along the front of their main side terrace. At one point you can see the Wigan fans back off. Great scenes at the end with a mini-pitch invasion of Bolton fans who were still in the home end - followed by happy Bolton fans leaving the ground in to the terraced streets.

Unbelievable following. Seems to be the same on all these videos. Only 4-5000 gates at home but a big percentage of those travelled away

No worries. We beat the pie eaters next....

Carrying on with posts from our run to Wembley in 1986. Quite a few have requested this one. The Northern Semi Final at Darlington. Thousands of well oiled fans travelled up the road on a Thursday night, after our second goal you can see plenty celebrating in the home end. Sadly the pitch invasion at the final whistle wasn't filmed. As you'll see and hear, Dave pulls the plug before it gets in full swing

Carrying on with posts from our run to Wembley in 1986. Quite a few have requested this one. The Northern Semi Final at Darlington. Thousands of well oiled fans travelled up the road on a Thursday night, after our second goal you can see plenty celebrating in the home end. Sadly the pitch invasion at the final whistle wasn't filmed. As you'll see and hear, Dave pulls the plug before it gets in full swing!

I think the previous season both of them got much higher numbers, as did Jeff Chandler

Continuing through the Freight Rover Trophy run of 1985/6 here's the Northern Quarter Final at home to Tranmere. This was a year or two before the Birkenhead bindippers and Elton Welsby began to become an irritation, so this would have been seen as a run of the mill cup tie other than the prospect of Wembley. Tranmere take the lead before George Oghani equalises and then sets up Tony Caldwell for the second half winner. One step closer to the twin towers!

Continuing through the Freight Rover Trophy run of 1985/6 here's the Northern Quarter Final at home to Tranmere. This was a year or two before the Birkenhead bindippers and Elton Welsby began to become an irritation, so this would have been seen as a run of the mill cup tie other than the prospect of Wembley. Tranmere take the lead before George Oghani equalises and then sets up Tony Caldwell for the second half winner. One step closer to the twin towers!

Roadrunner's predecessor definitely did one. I've got that game on DVD but its all over You Tube already from various sources - usually Bristol City related!!

We're all on the march with Phil Neal's army - we're all going to Wembley! Time for some Freight Rover action from 1985/6. A while ago I posted the first of our Prelimary Round "group phase" matches that season, a 2-2 draw at Stockport in which we came back from 2-0 down in the last two minutes. This 1-0 win over Crewe a week later in January 1986 ensured qualification for the Northern Quarter Final. George Oghani the scorer. No commentary on this one. Picture quality is dreadful - and the match was witnessed by only 2,428 fans!

We're all on the march with Phil Neal's army - we're all going to Wembley! Time for some Freight Rover action from 1985/6. A while ago I posted the first of our Prelimary Round "group phase" matches that season, a 2-2 draw at Stockport in which we came back from 2-0 down in the last two minutes. This 1-0 win over Crewe a week later in January 1986 ensured qualification for the Northern Quarter Final. George Oghani the scorer. No commentary on this one. Picture quality is dreadful - and the match was witnessed by only 2,428 fans!

Trade deals and continuity agreements so far with that 90 per cent of the world outside the EU. The most recent being with South Korea. Many more under negotiation. Good to have those continuity agreements with the USA, Australia and NZ. Not quite the picture of "no trade deals" you seek to paint is it. So many countries prospering outside the EU. Ever increasing amounts of our trade focused on them already - despite having to operate through the EU's tarriff wall. How do they cope outside the EU? How have we manage to cope given so much of our trade is already with nations outside the EU. What a mystery it is..... Guidance Signed UK trade agreements transitioned from the EU A list of the trade and mutual recognition agreements the UK has signed with non-EU countries. Published 21 February 2019 Last updated 9 June 2019 — see all updates From: Department for International Trade Contents Signed trade agreements Signed mutual recognition agreements The UK has signed continuity trade agreements with non-EU countries so that trade can continue with minimal disruption after the UK leaves the EU. These countries account for 63% of trade currently covered by EU agreements for which the UK is seeking continuity. The agreements have replicated the EU trade agreements as far as possible. However, there may be some changes to ensure that new agreements work for both countries. When the UK signs further agreements this page will be updated. You can find the text of these agreements by clicking on the country below. Signed trade agreements The UK has signed trade agreements with: Andean countries CARIFORUM trade bloc Chile Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc  Faroe Islands Iceland and Norway Israel Liechtenstein Pacific states Palestinian Authority South Korea - signed on June 9 Switzerland The countries covered by the UK-Andean countries trade agreement are: Colombia Ecuador Peru The countries covered by the UK-CARIFORUM economic partnership agreement are: Antigua and Barbuda The Commonwealth of the Bahamas Barbados Belize The Commonwealth of Dominica The Dominican Republic Grenada The Republic of Guyana Jamaica Saint Christopher and Nevis Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines The Republic of Suriname The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago The Commonwealth of the Bahamas and The Republic of Suriname are approved in principle and expected to sign shortly. The countries which will be covered by the ESA-UK economic partnership agreement are:  Madagascar Mauritius  Seychelles  Zimbabwe Madagascar is approved in principle and expected to sign shortly The countries which will be covered by the UK-Pacific economic partnership agreement are: Papua New Guinea Fiji Signed mutual recognition agreements The UK has signed mutual recognition agreements with: Australia New Zealand United States

Sorry. I completely missed that post

The UK would have several trade deals. And why are you refusing to deal with several points I've raised in the last half an hour. You can't. Plain and simple. That's now the end of this conversation. I may as well talk to a swamp.

If that's what he is then he's good at it. At least if that's the case there's hope he doesn't seriously believe all the crap he writes.

It's "easily debunked nonsense" - so he doesn't have to. But then if you buy in to the EU you buy in to the whole culture where its easy to dismiss challenge from sceptics because we're all fringe people on the cusp of fascism etc etc etc.

"Easily debunked nonsense". So in short a total failure to address any of the points I've made. The totally undemocratic nature of the Eu and its so called parliament, the failure of its single currency - the crowning policy of its centralising and federalising ethos, the dovetailing of corporatism and regulation that strangles economies of European states. No .... let's ignore all that. Getting on for 90 per cent of the world is outside of the EU. Much of that world is doing very nicely thankyou very much. Nation states able to take pragmatic decisions based on their own individual circumstances at any one moment in time - as opposed to being beholden to a giant, clunky political and economic superstructure with hidebound laws and regulations applied in a clinical and dictatorial way. Of all the people on here I find you to be the most futile to be debating with. Go away, do some reading and try to apply some level of scepticism to the EU. You've got the blinkers on more firmly than a skittish horse at the start tape at a midweek meeting at Towcester. There are remainers on here and elsewhere who are capable of applying scepticism to all levels of government including the EU. You're not one of them.

As I said previously - the people on the leave side of this debate did not initiate this bitterness. Had remain won in 2016 most leavers, me included would have accepted the result. This last three years has seen some truly appalling, shameful anti-democratic behaviour from people who hold themselves to be liberal and tolerant.

You never, ever get it do you. The EU parliament is a fig-leaf, a facade. It cannot propose law. It can only amend law put forward by commissioners. Even then those unelected commissioners have to approve those tweaks. Once something becomes a law, in true EU style, there is no means of amending it. That parliament holds no power whatsoever. It is just another trapping of the totally unneccessary and distant layer of governance of which you are clearly in love. Do your homework before you start dishing out the lectures. I can give several examples of countries "Outside the largest trading block" who are flourishing very nicely thankyou. And just about every country inside this much vaunted trading bloc with its strangling regulation and cozy corporatism could be doing far better as self governing nation states taking political and economic decisions based on their own particular needs and wants. What has the Euro to do with it? What a staggering question to ask. The Euro encapsulates everything about this grand project of which you seem to be a fan. Senseless centralisation of power for the sake of it. Impoverishment of southern Europe as a result. The EU wants to centralise and federalise more and more. Yet when it comes to a test of whether you really want to be part of this grand experiment of sucking up power from nation states .... you baulk. It's very, very revealing. Again - perhaps you should do your homework about what the EU really is all about before you come on here frothing at the mouth.

I'd have to say that many of the 17.4m who voted to go out and leave on June 23, 2016 could never ever have imagined that upon learning the day after that they'd backed the winning side, they'd be subject to such entrenched and recalcitrant abuse over 3 years to follow. I can't remember who I read saying this but it is true ..... "we didn't know what you thought of us before, but oh boy, we do now"