paulhanley

No, no. They are the intelligent sophisticates. We are the thick peasants. We were gulled by lies by evil people. Blah, blah. These people are the definition of the word hypocrite - wallowing as they are in their long and inglorious history of getting it wrong, from joining the ERM under John Major onwards. Left to most of them we'd now be stranded in the Euro as well. Unbelievable.

Here's two you seem to be struggling to recall. "This is a dangerous fantasy. The idea that there is going to be a European Army is simply not true." - Nick Clegg "An emergency budget would be required upon a leave vote alone" - George Osborne. Lies. People saw through them. Over to you....

We'll not take any lectures from the likes of you when it comes to lies in the referendum campaign. People like you seek to annex the moral high ground - but the double standards are breathtaking. Focus on getting your own house in order before you start trying to pick other apart. With a history of failed economic predictions like you remoaners have, why should we believe you're anything but the busted flush you clearly are? Over to you ....

We know how good your average remainer is at negotiating. Ask Theresa May.

Here are some proven lies that were intended to influence people's votes. As such the piffle spouted by remoaners about "lies" is utterly breathaking and hypocritical. They are all from your fellow sour remoaner George Osborne. A vote to leave the EU alone would lead to a year long recession - LIE 820,000 jobs would be lost within two years just on a leave vote alone - LIE A leave vote alone would cause an immediate and profound economic shock with growth between 3 and 6 per cent lower - LIE Wages would fall by 2.8 per cent on a vote to leave alone. - LIE House prices would fall by 10 per cent - LIE When it comes to analysis of who said what during the 2016 referendum campaign, holier than thou remoaners have absolutely no room to talk. You are a bunch of utter hypocrites. You attempted to scare people to death. Those people roundly ignored you and your self important predictions. And you have been demonstrably proven wrong. Why the fuck should we believe anything any of you ever say again? What's more you were getting it wrong right from the early 1990s disaster of joining the European Exchange Rate Mechanism onwards. Left to you, you'd have had us in the disastrous Euro. Lies, lies and more lies. Deliberately misinforming the public. Sore-losing desperados. When are you going to get the messages that trying to scare people with your lies has the opposite effect to the one you intend? You never will. Con-artists the lot of you.

Will do. Plenty more to come when I find the time

Lord Ashcroft's poll of 10,000 people from polling day onwards makes for interesting reading. It covers areas such as what percentage of Labour and Conservative voters were leavers or remainers and it offers a far more nuanced picture than the one those trying to spin the result on Monday morning offered (Alistair Campbell, Vince Cable et al) A hell of a lot of psephological detail and fascinating reading regardless of whether you're a remainer or a Brexiteer. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/05/my-euro-election-post-vote-poll-most-tory-switchers-say-they-will-stay-with-their-new-party/#more-15953 Part of the concluding analysis reads as follows (below). As a Brexiteer I find this moderately encouraging, especially the final sentence - but then I would. I'm sure remainers will have their own views. What I would say with confidence is that on the basis of this I don't think either of the two sides can be claiming any very big shifts since 2016. While Leavers and Remainers have gravitated to parties who are unambiguous about Brexit, those who have stuck with the main parties are also polarised: two thirds (67%) of Tory Euro-voters want to leave the EU, while nearly two thirds (63%) of Labour Euro-voters want to remain. Overall, 89% of Euro-election voters who voted Leave still want Brexit to happen – 55% of them with no deal – and 7% now say they want to remain. Meanwhile, 81% of remainers who voted last week say they still want to remain, with 15% now saying the best outcome would be to leave. Among all those voting in the European elections, 50% said they had voted to remain in the referendum and 45% to leave; now, 50% said they wanted to leave, 46% said they wanted to remain, and 4% didn’t know

Aye. He was a good un.

Yep. Smoke bombs in action that day too. Quite rare in English football in them days.

Aye me too. Was taken to most home games in 77/78 but not that one. A Tuesday night match - dear old Gary Jones got very few goals that season but our consolation that night was his. I'm sure I've seen highlights of that game somewhere. Jimmy Armfield would have been the Leeds boss I guess? 78/9 I just remember bricks raining back and forth like confetti between the Paddock and the Embankment. Typical Leeds - absolute wreckers and vandals.

Too young for that day. Hadn't even started Primary school in 74/5 🙂

I can remember Leeds better in 78/9. Absolute carnage that day. In 82/3 they had thousands on the Embankment as well. Main thing I actually remember about that day was how it was men against boys on the pitch, literally. We had Simon Rudge playing, still in his teens and looking like he was about 9! Chelsea in 82/3 will have been discussed on here many times but I've vivid memories of that day and there are a good few pics on the internet. Right the way through the lower division years that followed Bolton fans sang "One man went to mow.... !"

Ha yes! I am indeeed. "We. Thought. You were soft. We were right ........ we were right" I suppose the thing about Millwall at Bolton was they never had the numbers. Unlike when Chelsea, Leeds etc were in town. And West Ham in 1981.

Remember that game quite well - pretty sure it was played in rain. Was sitting in the Manny Road North not far from the gathered "regulars". A clutch of Millwall's firm were directly across the pitch - stood right up against the fence between the Embankment and the Burnden Paddock - and the focus of the Manny Roaders was on them throughout. I remember one chant used frequently: "We thought you were soft ...and we were right" ... to the tune used these days for "We are the one and only Wanderers" We won 2-0. I remember Tony Caldwell getting both goals .... but the book tells me it was on December 15 and it was John McGovern's last win at Bolton before getting the sack on January 7!

One of the 80s vids I've done in the last fortnight had a very Burnden Park moment. When the nasally sounding copper came on to to the public address system and said: "This is a message for the visiting supporters. The visiting supporters. Will you please remain where you are. You will be escorted from the ground." Often followed by a sinister sounding cheer from the Manny Road North! We played Millwall at home pretty much exactly 12 months later in our promotion season. Did Millwall turn up again? (we won 2-1 this time).

Comprehensive account of the day, thanks! Can you remember where the Millwall fans were in the ground? I think this is the time when the Embankment and Lever End were both split in two by a fence. Those highlights are only a minute long. You never see the away fans, but you do hear them briefly.

Unless someone can correct me, Millwall did nothing at Burnden on their 80s visits. Interesting to hear there was trouble in the 70s.

Do elaborate because I was way too young to have been taking any notice!

I guess I was there too but too small to remember. My Dad was taking me on the Lever End from about 76 onwards. Why he'd do that with a five year old I've no idea!! Different days! One of my earliest memories of life was the riot against Chelsea near the end of 76/77!

Well we will have to agree to disagree about a no deal being a nightmare. A lot of prep has gone in on both sides and the delay until October means even more. A clean break is my preferred option. However for those who want a deal - we've seen that the EU are tough negotiators and that Mrs May's endless compromising and failure to operate with tactical nous has failed. So "no deal" has to be on the table and those who prefer a Brexit with deal of some sort do now surely have to accept that this is all part of having a solid negotiating stance.

Back to the sizzling summer of 1976. Bolton's third game of the 76/77 season was the tail end of August as the sun still shone. It was a season that ended in disappointment as for the second year on the run we narrowly missed out on promotion back to the top flight for the first time since the early 1960s. Early on at home to Millwall, we won 3-1 in front of the BBC cameras. Two of the lesser lights of 1970s Bolton Wanderers football scored - Steve Taylor (2) and Brian Smith with a freaky goal that was really a cross. You can hear the Millwall fans on this vid but they're never seen

Back to the sizzling summer of 1976. Bolton's third game of the 76/77 season was the tail end of August as the sun still shone. It was a season that ended in disappointment as for the second year on the run we narrowly missed out on promotion back to the top flight for the first time since the early 1960s. Early on at home to Millwall, we won 3-1 in front of the BBC cameras. Two of the lesser lights of 1970s Bolton Wanderers football scored - Steve Taylor (2) and Brian Smith with a freaky goal that was really a cross. You can hear the Millwall fans on this vid but they're never seen.

Having not spoken to every single voter, I don't know. But neither do the remainers on here - trying as they are to manufacture evidence of a shift to remain since 2016. For what it's worth I know two Conservatives who stuck with the Tories because they could never see themselves voting for anyone else, one of whom particularly wanted to vote for Daniel Hannan. I also know one Labour voter who couldn't vote for Brexit because she hates Farage. But she'd vote leave in a referendum. As far as leave v remain goes last night's result is anything but clear cut and it was always going to be that way because the question was not "leave or remain" as per 2016 - but the remainers seem desperate to prove that it was

It wasn't the leave voters on here who started this nonsense to do with counting votes from each individual party as unquestionably leave or remain. But since it's been started - and the Conservatives have a manifesto commitment to deliver Brexit - why the hell not?

You're pissing on a few lunchtime ham sandwiches here. I predict they won't like that chart one bit.