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A Decent Chance.

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1/2 for a small 0.38pts profit today.

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  • Yes, MT, I follow the Oirish too.   But I'm at Bangor all day tomorrow, then on the lash in Wrexham! But, if I get chance, I'll find some pointers for you and shove them on here on Sunday.   But,

  • Maggie Tate
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    How can an 11/1 shot in a field of that size be 2/1 to be placed?! Now I know how Betfair makes its money!

  • If you took those stats from Mal's piece, that'll be over the last two years, mate.

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5/1/13

 

2.35 Lingfield Swiss Cross @ 10/1 E/W BOG u/p

2.40 Wincanton: Consigliere @ 9/2 BOG 2nd

3.20 Chepstow: Master Overseer PU & Arbor Supreme 4th at 33/1 :D (as on the Welsh National thread)

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Putin placed again, but didn't win.

 

Finally won today at 10/1

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5/1/13

 

2.35 Lingfield Swiss Cross @ 10/1 E/W BOG u/p

2.40 Wincanton: Consigliere @ 9/2 BOG 2nd

3.20 Chepstow: Master Overseer PU & Arbor Supreme 4th at 33/1 :D (as on the Welsh National thread)

 

4pts staked, 4.63pts returned.

 

Small acorns...

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6/1/13

 

2.55 Plumpton: Present To You @ 12/1 E/W BOG u/p

4.00 Plumpton: Engai @ 16/1 E/W BOG 2nd :D

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2pts staked, 2.5pts returned.

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7/1/13

 

2.50 Wolverhampton: One Way Or Another @ 11/8 BOG won at 7/4 :D

3.00 Kempton: Beat The Bell @ 11/10 BOG u/p

3.10 Taunton: Alwaystheoptimist @ 9/1 E/W BOG u/p

3.20 Wolverhampton: Tyrur Ted @ 14/1 E/W BOG N/R

4.30 Kempton: Khawatim @ 5/4 BOG N/R

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A couple of fancied non-runners put paid to any profit today, but only a small loss on these.

 

3pts out, 2.75pts back.

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8/1/13

 

1.55 Chepstow: Laflammedeglorie @ 100/30 BOG PU

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9/1/13

 

2.05 Lingfield: Crew Cut (no bet if over 12/1 SP)

3.25 Doncaster: Vosges @ 7/1 E/W BOG

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and...

 

1.55 Ludlow: In The Crowd @ 9/1 E/W BOG

Traf the 2.05at ling are you saying go for max bet mate?

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Traf the 2.05at ling are you saying go for max bet mate?

 

Ah, no.

I've lifted that straight from my own notes for today: it's a note I made for myself telling me not to back it if it's over 12/1 just before the off.

I've amended my original post.

 

ie 12/1 is my max price. (it's from a stat-based selection process, as opposed to a form-based one! I'm more than happy to explain the rationale if anyone's ever interested)

 

I'm also backing these:

12.30 Lingfield: Onewayoranother @ 11/10 BOG

3.15 Lingfield: Island Express @ 20/1 E/W BOG

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cheers mate and yes please explain

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OK, here goes...

 

Racing trainers are pretty much set in their ways and rarely vary their training tactics from one year to the next.

It's also impossible to keep thier horses in top condition all year round and their yard will be "in form" at a specific time of year in correspondence with their training methods.

 

Jeremy Gask's horses tend to go very well in January,

 

In January alone (2009-13)

All races

13 winners from 65 races = 20% strike rate and 16pts profit ie at £10/race: £650 total stakes, £810 returned = £160 profit (24.6% profit)

26/65 were successful as E/W bets = 40% Strike rate. These produced 24pts profit (18.5% profit)

 

If you only backed these horses when they ran at odds between 13/8 and 12/1:

12/43 winners = 27.9% and 36.5pts (84.9%) profit

21/43 E/W success = 48.8% and 46.6pts (54.2%) profit

 

Handicap races only

12/54 = 22.2% and 25.5pts (47.22%) profit

22/54 E/W success = 40.7% and 36pts (33.33%) profit

 

Handicaps at odds of 13/8 to 12/1

12/37 = 32.4% and 42.5pts (114.9%) profit

19/37 E/W success = 51.4% and 52.1pts (70.4%) profit

 

Therefore, you shoud back all Jeremy Gask's horses when running in handicap races in January when their Starting Price is between 13/8 and 12/1

 

Of course you don't know the SP before the race starts, but you can generally make a good guess whther it'll fall in the required odds parameters.

Cheers for that Traf, some interesting points brought out

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Cheers for that Traf, some interesting points brought out

 

No problem, happy to help.

It's what I spend most of my day doing anyway!

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9/1/13

12.30 Lingfield: Onewayoranother @ 11/10 BOG won at 2/1 :D

1.55 Ludlow: In The Crowd @ 9/1 E/W BOG u/p

2.05 Lingfield: Crew Cut (no bet if over 12/1 SP) NO BET

3.15 Lingfield: Island Express @ 20/1 E/W BOG 3rd at 33/1

3.25 Doncaster: Vosges @ 7/1 E/W BOG u/p

 

Lost 1pt there. Needed Island Express to hold onto 2nd place. That way I'd have been 3.63pts up.

 

As somebody once said: "the margins are very fine..."

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10/01/13

 

6.45 Kempton: Red Somerset @ 13.0 / 5.0 (Betfair)

I love your dedication to numbers traf...

 

I wish I had your discipline though

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Cheers, pal.

I'm just a bore who loves to crunch numbers.

 

Some people like to sit and watch films for two hours at a time, each to their own! :D

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1.25 Lingfield: Jermatt @ 6/1 E/W BOG

2.15 Catterick: King Fontaine @ Betfair SP (9/1 BOG is available, though)

2.55 Lingfield: Exkaliber (12/1 max price)

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2.15 Catterick: Pentiffic @ 6/1 BOG

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OK, it's got a bit messy, so I'll put them all together now, as I don't think there'll be more.

 

10/01/13

 

1.25 Lingfield: Jermatt @ 6/1 E/W BOG 2nd :D

2.15 Catterick: Pentiffic @ 6/1 BOG u/p

2.15 Catterick: King Fontaine @ Betfair SP (9/1 BOG is available, though) u/p

2.55 Lingfield: Exkaliber (12/1 max price) NO BET

6.45 Kempton: Red Somerset @ 13.0 / 5.0 (Betfair) u/p

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Not good yesterday.

 

11/01/13

 

5.30 Wolverhampton: Elegant Ophelia @ 5/2 BOG

 

More later, I expect.

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