peelyfeet

Love Hawes me, one of my favourite places.

They're in pubs, going to watch live international rugby matches in full stadiums, everyone at work. I bet the immediate prospects are a lot rosier.

Population density in urban areas, yes, population no. New Zealand aint different to UK, similar % of folk live close together.

They went to their alert level 4 (similar to our total lockdown) at 1000 cases in total. Fron April 10th everyone returning to NZ has had to quarantine for 2 weeks, in goverment managed hotels. https://www.miq.govt.nz We were allowed to do loads of stuff at 500 cases a day. They would have classed our Summer free period as their highest alert level.

Population is nothing to do with it - NZ is similar to Scotland, with similar international tourism levels, and simialr demographics. NZ were initially lucky because they got the spread late - but the level of community spread they had was not much different to the levels we managed to get it down to a month or so after the lockdown finished. but we opened up, went on holiday to Spain, they didn't until the levels were lower. They've taken a diferent path, and to me, it looks miles better at the moment and has been for months. We could have tried to do it.

Spain was strict lockdown after the spread Mounts, NZ was before, timing is key - it wasn't their fault because they didnt get as much notice as NZ - What's so different about New Zealand to Northern Europe?

I think it's highly likley, and half term might mean less disruption for some, so wouldn't surprise me if that's the plan.

Yep , they definately had an advantage at the start We got down to averages of 550 cases a day and less than 10 deaths a day in July - most of which was in the North, comparable to what NZ had, when adjusted for population - I was bumbling on about it back in summer - If we'd gone hard in the North for a bit longer, a few more weeks of the initial lockdown, stopped folk from holidaying abroad, quarnatined every incoming person, we could have had a go at this too. When you have low cases its easier to squash, you don't need as many tests, you don't need as many tracers, you dont need as many quarantining, lockdowns dont drag on for as long, ultimately, so you can do it better, faster. I'd much rather be in New Zealand for the next 6 months.

Circuit Breakers happening in Northern Ireland, possibly Wales, I wonder if we will follow or not? Meanwhile in New Zealand - no cases in the community for 18 consecutive days - 6 deaths in 6 months, folk filling up sports stadiums, everyone going to work and school, folk getting their medical operations sorted. 6 weeks of restrictions since the begining of June. This is what a zero tolerance, early reaction policy is looking like at the moment. Theyve had outbreaks and quashed them every time, as I'm sure they will continue to do. We could have done this in Summer, a few more weeks lockdown, no international holidaying, proper policing of quarantines, attacking the remaining cases, but we didn't.

Cant find an Africa total. Cases aint worth measuring in most of Africa, well not if you want to compare against Non African countries, because they've not tested enough. Deaths per million, there's only South Africa over 100, and they're on 300. Most African countries are under 20. UK is 633. Considering moving to Tanzania for safety purposes.

Urbanisation mate. Living in a village in the middle of nowhere with shit transport links, with your 200 cousins is going to give you a better chance of not catching a disease than going to work in Manchester 5 days a week, your kid going to school with 600 other kids, going to the pub that had 150 people in throughout the day, popping in to Tesco on the way home, getting your hair cut, taking your son to football training, etc etc. Africa's population is more non urban than any other continent. And yes, weight makes a difference. More fatties die than thinnies

Personally mate I think they have a vastly less mobile population, and its the fact that they're younger, slimmer and spend more time outside in the sun, and less time in enclosed spaces. Travelling around is how this is spread. If everyone stayed in their own village for several weeks, this would die off. If there were no transport around the world, it would have ended in Wuhan.

Yeah, they won't be recording cases like us, and as the demographics are much younger, they'll likely have more asymptomatic too. South Africa, the most westernised country, has by far the highest rates, something in that I guess.

They don't travel so much, have shit houses, work outdoors al lot more. And in Africa it's even worse. Bdum tish.

Staying indoors, poor ventilation, lots of travel, obesity are 4 things that I bet are not so prevalent in Africa compared to other continents. I doubt its genetic because Black folk aren't showing that elsewhere, so you'd think it must be the circumstances. Being outside in the sun a lot, in the countryside, not travelling around so much, living in a draughty building without double glazing and aircon is pretty much what you'd prescribe as preferential circumstances. But who knows. Theres next to nothing happening in Tokyo, everyone, and I mean everyone wears a mask.

They're Vitamin D' d up to the max. Apparently Masai tribe are brimming with it. Bbc thinks these are the reasons https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-54418613

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Go on love, don't come over my maud's arse Nigel. Dip shit.

And if they get it into the care workers and the old and vulnerable first, the potential death rates should drop off. I'm late 40's, no health issues, ill be one of the last, and rightly so. My old relatives will be nearer the front.

Some good News amongst the shite.

See if you can find Bolton on here. Let me know what you think when you find them.

But Bolton is now 28th on the list, when they were 1st 3 weeks ago, and the rate of cases per 100k is lower than it was a week ago. How's that happened, pixie dust?

aye - the West Lancashire plain - originally a big fuck-off swampy bog. There used to be a giant lake, which is now martin mere, almost as big as Windermere, right in the middle, but it was gradually drained over the last 500 years, and all the land recaimed for farming.

Ah right. I got sent to school in Ormskirk, after parbold, almost in Aughton. loads of posh scousers and kids of Liverpool and Everton players and staff. My mate went out with Colin Harvey's daughter. We had a top school football team, Roy Evans did some coaching when I was there. There was a lad called Tony Morley, who played for villa and England in the 80s, who went before I was there, Stephen Warnock was one of my brothers mates, used to come round our house, a lad called Phil Charnock was a few yrs below me, Liverpool youngest player for a bit, ended up being captain of crewe for a whil in tbe 90s, it was really good, if you liked football, lots if lads who played for PNE, Blackpool, so e went to Australia and US to play. A really good school if you liked football.