reet then cockends.

 

im about to start converting my garage which currently has a concrete floor 130mm below the kitchen floor.

 

i was to use kingspan Thermafloor k3 sheets so a separate vapour control layer wouldnt be required, but the thickest i can find is 70mm.

 

anybody have any experience in such an area, if so, what do i do?

 

ta muchly

On a more serious note. Would a step from the kitchen to the garage floor not be the most cost effective solution?

Or should I just get back to watching porn at my desk??????

 

didnt think that was allowed?

 

dunno why...

i do want to do this more or less by myself, with the help of a few family tradesmen (mainly to keep costs down). so timber floor now seems like the easist way, with the suggested air bricks and the hovering kingspan. (energy calc, smenergy smalks, fukc um)

 

cheers smiffs, much more helpfull than the rest of these shithouses (you know who you are)

 

no doubt bigtoe or widnes will be along soon to suggest dynamite and 17 tonne of industrial blomange....

 

ta

 

If thats the way you are going then fix the joists to the floor using stainless or galvanised steel 'L' shaped brackets, and use screws into the timber (not nails) and epoxy resin fixed bolts (not bluetack) into the slab otherwise you could get annoying creaking noises from your fittings.

 

And dont drive your nails in square to the timber, put them in at an angle so they dont squeak. Prefeably, use screws, especially on the floorboards otherwise it will sing like a bird.

 

Leave the joists about an inch short from the wall to for expansion otherwise it could all warp.

 

And use treated timber too, plus, get one of your kids butty boxes with a bit of timber preserve in it to dip your cut ends into.

 

Make sure Doris gets bacon too. It is a scientific fact that such works cannot be done without a bacon butty at morning brew.

 

Oh and dont forget your noggins.

 

That'll be another ?750 please.

of course.

 

May come in handy if you ever sell the house and the buyer starts asking awkward questions about the ex-garage.

 

Exactly what happened on a retaining wall I did for a mate.

 

Or you could just convert it back if you lost the approval certificate.

thanking all muchly.

 

i'll let you know how much of a fuck up i make.

do i need to bother with building regs?

 

or fuck em off, and deal with it later should i decide to sell?

 

i cant be arsed with some bloke thowing a load of rules at me, just complication what should be a fairly simple job?

 

if i have to rip it out when we sell (if we ever so) then so be it.

do i need to bother with building regs?

 

or fuck em off, and deal with it later should i decide to sell?

 

i cant be arsed with some bloke thowing a load of rules at me, just complication what should be a fairly simple job?

 

if i have to rip it out when we sell (if we ever so) then so be it.

 

Think you've answered your own question.

 

A BR application will be a bit of extra hassle and a few hundred quid.

 

Any future buyer or their team may not even flag it up.

 

Another mate of mine asked me to rectify a builders feckup on supporting a chimney breast - I didnt know what the hell was holding it up. I told him when the surveyor picks it up on his report, be prepared.

 

Blind fecker didnt spot it.

Thing is though, you'll have to get planning permission to convert, don't know how on the ball those planning and building control officers are in terms of sharing info. Something to keep in mind if your not going to let them know.

 

I thought building regs didn't apply if the building to be constructed was under a certain size (30m2) anyway, a single garage might just within that size?

 

You're fooked if it's a double though

didnt think that was allowed?

 

dunno why...

 

old houses, cottages, etc all have weird steps and differing levels.

 

throw it to those ITK on here - can he not just have a step?

Thing is though, you'll have to get planning permission to convert, don't know how on the ball those planning and building control officers are in terms of sharing info. Something to keep in mind if your not going to let them know.

 

I thought building regs didn't apply if the building to be constructed was under a certain size (30m2) anyway, a single garage might just within that size?

 

You're fooked if it's a double though

 

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/g...5315233095.html

 

Planning Permission

 

Under new regulations that came into effect from 1 October 2008 the permitted development regime covering garage conversions changed and planning permission is not usually required, providing the work is internal and does not involve enlarging the building.

 

Sometimes permitted development rights have been removed from some properties with regard to garage conversions and therefore you should contact your local planning authority before proceeding, particularly if you live on a new housing development or in a conservation area.

 

Where work is proposed to a listed building, listed building consent may be required.

 

Building Regulations

The conversion of a garage, or part of a garage, into habitable space will normally require approval under the Building Regulations.

Just buy a big cage and hang it from the garage roof, then lock him in that when the footy's on.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/g...5315233095.html

 

I'll stick to counting bricks

old houses, cottages, etc all have weird steps and differing levels.

 

throw it to those ITK on here - can he not just have a step?

 

You can have what the fuck you want to but it will look wank.

Seeing as we havent much work on at the minute. If you do want to do it properly...

 

Part L1B Building Regs

 

Page 27. Target U-value for floors - 0.25W/m.sqK

 

What You Need to Satisfy Building Regs

 

Assuming your garage is about 3mx6m? Perimeter/area ratio is 1.0

 

70mm insulation will give you 0.25W/m.sqK.

 

This is worth doing irrespective of building regs. Save you a fortune in heating.

 

Kingspan Construction Details

old houses, cottages, etc all have weird steps and differing levels.

 

throw it to those ITK on here - can he not just have a step?

 

 

So far from being itk on this but a mate of mine just put a step in when converting his garage into a playroom. Personally, we have a 'spare room' that is a playroom and low and behold, its only use is to create more mess when the little one drags all of her stuff out of it to play in the lounge.

 

Buy a toy box.

You can have what the fuck you want to but it will look wank.

 

agreed.

Seeing as we havent much work on at the minute. If you do want to do it properly...

 

Part L1B Building Regs

 

Page 27. Target U-value for floors - 0.25W/m.sqK

 

What You Need to Satisfy Building Regs

 

Assuming your garage is about 3mx6m? Perimeter/area ratio is 1.0

 

70mm insulation will give you 0.25W/m.sqK.

 

This is worth doing irrespective of building regs. Save you a fortune in heating.

 

Kingspan Construction Details

 

top man.

 

kingspan was the way i want to go, but this step is bothering me.

 

i was now thining, kingspan TF73 on top of joists bracked to the concrete? but id struggle to get 70mm kingspan on top of joinsts and stay within the 130mm limit.

 

re: building regs, i don want to do i right, but i can save myself 300 now and the hassle of some university nob who thinks he know everything telling me i need to save the planet by insulating everything.

Edited May 19, 200917 yr by HomerJay

right got it...

 

http://www.insulateonline.com/floors2.htm

 

kingspan K3 70m, but cut to sit on top of a floating floor?

 

no need for a vapour control layer

no need for screed

no need for brick vents (i dont think?)

no step

 

are ya having that or what?

Edited May 19, 200917 yr by HomerJay

How does air circulate to your timber without airbricks?

How does air circulate to your timber without airbricks?

 

good shout, im a cock.

 

airbricks it is then.

 

now then

 

Kingspan 70mm TP10 TW55 TF70 2400mm*1200mm ? 22.46

 

OR

 

Kingspan K3 70mm price per board (normally available in packs of 4 only) 2400mm*1200mm ? 40.02

 

 

big jump in price there? does TF70 require screed but K3 not so?

 

 

 

 

apologies if im boring or frustrating anyone.

Edited May 19, 200917 yr by HomerJay

I dont think 70mm Thermafloor has a low enough U-value? (lower is better) If that bothers you.

 

http://www.uvalue.ie/uploads/files/tf70.pdf

 

Details show the panel with/without screed

I don't suppose any of you construction types have paused to think that you may be assisting in the building of a Homo dungeon/torture chamber?

 

If he asks you about sound proofing or can anyone spare a few hundred egg boxes, alert the authorities.

 

He can't read this can he?

if i got someone else in, i'd never hear the end of it from the father-in-law.

I dont think 70mm Thermafloor has a low enough U-value? (lower is better) If that bothers you.

 

http://www.uvalue.ie/uploads/files/tf70.pdf

 

Details show the panel with/without screed

 

garage is 5x3m

also 6" joists will take me over my 130mm limit.

 

will 4" still do the job?

Can you not just fill it with plastic balls and call it a ball pit? The kid'll love it.