hmmm maybe....

 

what do the huddersfield fans keep singing?

FWIW on the few times I've seen Danny Ward play and I watched both the Huddersfield play off games albeit on TV, I've not seen anything to suggest he's good enough for our first team yet - he looks workmanlike rather than skilfull took his goal well but the centre half turn slower than a GM Bus - he looks a decent championship player to me - i think a fair comparison is he's similar age to moreno who's been in the squad all year and for me moreno is streets ahead - if we get a decent bid and coyle feels his potetial is nearly realised i'd sell

He did, way back when. His style of ugly football dated, that's why he got sacked from Newcastle and Blackburn and is currently sat on his fat arse out of proper work.

 

I don't have a problem with that, but we were promised free flowing football and young British players. If that's gone out of the window then at least we should be told.

 

Sammy Lee made the immediate change attempt and it back-fired. I think Coyle is just more pragmatic than people expected. I'd rather have that than have him insist we play tip-tap football when the squad can't do it. We've seen more good 'moves' this season than we're used to, but the football hasn't changed drastically because neither has the squad.

 

I don't think Petrov was an obviously bad idea. He went for a player who had ability, but Petrov's attitude stinks. It's a shame, because he's clearly talented enough to do very well for us.

 

We've had him bring in Wilshere and Sturridge, one is now an England player and the other certainly shall be; but we don't have the finance to sign players like that on full deals. If Ward is good enough, he'll play him; but that's the call the manager has to make. There's no point in putting him in if he's not ready.

 

That's my take on it, anyway.

Sammy Lee was burdened with Fat Sam's last signings so was doomed from day 1. However...

 

I'm happy if we decide Ward is not up to it and sell him on. I'm guessing he's on a contract that League One teams can't afford. I just don't want to see him out on loan again whilst that stump Petrov sits on the bench. It's pointless.

I saw Danny Ward playing for the reserves against Fylde in a pre season friendly and he wasn't very good. I don't think he would have got a place in Fylde's team on that display let alone a premier team. Having said that he got some good reviews at Swindon last season and Huddersfield this. I've seen him maybe four or five times and not been impressed.

He's still a kid. I see no problem with loaning him to the Championship next season and seeing how he does there; I dare say Huddersfield would love to keep him if they go up. He's not even turned 20 yet, so he has a while left before he needs to "make it". I'm not sure when this expectation came in that a player should be ready for the Premier League at 18 or be considered not good enough, but it does seem to be fairly common now. Ward seems to have a lot of attributes that would make him a decent player at this level, but still needs work. He also doesn't have the pace to make up for what he lacks in other areas, so it may take him a bit longer to come through.

The flip side of that then is we need 18 players who are "ready" to even fill the bench, not taking injuries into account. Clearly that's not reasonable with a club like ours, unless we want to go into matches with 4 subs or whatever again.

The flip side of that then is we need 18 players who are "ready" to even fill the bench, not taking injuries into account. Clearly that's not reasonable with a club like ours, unless we want to go into matches with 4 subs or whatever again.

 

Were we ever given an acceptable answer to why we couldn't fill our bench?

 

I'd heard it was because all the youth players had been given time off over Christmas and New Year, which is why Coyle simply didn't just call any of them up.

 

Sounds like crap to me, but I can't think of any other reason why, unless it was Coyle making a statement that the squad wasn't good enough.

The flip side of that then is we need 18 players who are "ready" to even fill the bench, not taking injuries into account. Clearly that's not reasonable with a club like ours, unless we want to go into matches with 4 subs or whatever again.

 

We will always struggle with the balance of numbers and quality, because we can't afford quality in numbers. We've never had 2 quality players for every position, so I agree that it would be useful to have youth players who could fill the gaps. However, having Ward sat on the bench or in the reserves will hinder his progress.....he needs football. I think that's the case with young players.

 

Coyle says he intends to sign about 6 players, which should be enough to give us a competitive squad; though we'll be pushing it somewhat. I hope that's in addition to replacing Cahill when he's sold, if not we may struggle.

 

By my count we currently have 16 first team players going into next season. That's including Cahill and three keepers but not including Sean Davis. Adding 6 players to that brings us about right in terms of a basic squad (I'm told most think 25 players should be the aim, but it's not going to happen). We will probably have to rely on some loans to get us through.

What do you mean by "free"? He'll just have taken a fuck off large signing on fee rather than us paying that to another club. Certainly not my definition of free.

 

what is your definition of a free transfer then?

 

because if that isn't it they don't exist

 

players get a signing on fee regardless, and massive wages too

 

free transfer = not paying a fee to another club

 

as you were

I actually don't care about Ward's progress if that means his career being elsewhere. If he's good enough to play in the Championship, he's good enough to sit on our bench. If he's not good enough then get rid. He's older than Jack Wilshire so it's now or never for us.

what is your definition of a free transfer then?

 

because if that isn't it they don't exist

 

Exactly

 

players get a signing on fee regardless, and massive wages too

 

free transfer = not paying a fee to another club

 

as you were

 

The signing on fee is inversely proportional to the transfer fee in this cases like this is my guess.

 

If someone is worth X then it doesn't make much difference if that goes to another club or the player (and their agent). Petrov's signing on fee will be much larger than if we'd paid City a fee. Unless it was his life long dream to play for Bolton and he foregoed that.

Were we ever given an acceptable answer to why we couldn't fill our bench?

 

I'd heard it was because all the youth players had been given time off over Christmas and New Year, which is why Coyle simply didn't just call any of them up.

 

Sounds like crap to me, but I can't think of any other reason why, unless it was Coyle making a statement that the squad wasn't good enough.

Coyle said none of the young lads had been pulling up trees and he wanted them to earn their place on the first team bench, not get the call-up just because we were a bit short.

 

I was happy with that.

According to the offish site, Ward was born 09/12/1990. Doesn?t that make him 20 ?

Obadeyi 29/10/1989, so 21.

Eaves 14/01/1992, so 19.

 

Some players develop more slowly than others, but as a club we can't afford to keep a number of 'reserves' indefinitely if the club feels they won't make it to the Prem.

 

I'm happy about young players like these being loaned to decent Championship sides for a couple of seasons, but they have to show signs of making progress by the end of that time. I don't really see that the two lower leagues are that much of a development route (apart from maybe the handful of 'big' clubs down there temporarily).

 

Next season Ward would be starting his 3rd season out on loan, if that's what OC decides. What are we hoping for from him ?

 

Maybe it's time for Eaves (and a couple of others ?) to start getting Championship experience - if clubs are interested.

I actually don't care about Ward's progress if that means his career being elsewhere. If he's good enough to play in the Championship, he's good enough to sit on our bench. If he's not good enough then get rid. He's older than Jack Wilshire so it's now or never for us.

 

That doesn't make much sense. Surely if he improves to the standard where he is good enough to start for us, then that's better for the club than having a player who isn't good enough sat on our bench. I'd rather he went out and got games and came back a better player, unless he is likely to get games for us.

It makes perfect sense in that he's on a finite contract. If he goes out for another year then he's only got a year of his contract left. He's under no obligation to sign another and may choose to move on, bit like Mark Davies did at Wolves.

Exactly

 

 

 

The signing on fee is inversely proportional to the transfer fee in this cases like this is my guess.

 

If someone is worth X then it doesn't make much difference if that goes to another club or the player (and their agent). Petrov's signing on fee will be much larger than if we'd paid City a fee. Unless it was his life long dream to play for Bolton and he foregoed that.

 

not sure I agree with that bit, as you can just make up figures to fit with no idea if they are realistic or not

 

guess that's why they call them bosman's these days as opposed to free transfers in "old money"

It makes perfect sense in that he's on a finite contract. If he goes out for another year then he's only got a year of his contract left. He's under no obligation to sign another and may choose to move on, bit like Mark Davies did at Wolves.

 

I'd say he's more likely to leave if he's making no progress in his career. If he goes on loan again and then gets a proper go in the side that's better than him rotting in the reserves and maybe making the bench.

 

Some players develop more slowly than others, but as a club we can't afford to keep a number of 'reserves' indefinitely if the club feels they won't make it to the Prem.

 

 

True - Jon Walters springs to mind.

According to the offish site, Ward was born 09/12/1990. Doesn?t that make him 20 ?

 

 

Yeah, that's odd. Everywhere else has him as born in '91.

 

Loans have been a good source of experience for players in the past. We clearly think he has something about him. He's made a few appearances for us and Coyle has said he's having a good look at him. The more games he gets at his age, the better.

 

I agree other players might benefit from loans, but whether that'll be to the Championship or League One is questionable. It's better to get games in League One than sit on the bench in the Championship.

 

I'm all for Ward coming back here if he'll play. If not I'd rather see the lad develop on loan. He seems to have a good attitude when on loan and has done very well at his loan clubs, aside from when he got injured.

Hopefully he will get a full pre-season with us and that will determine if he is going to be any use, if he does not show enough then we might aswell sell him while we could get a decentish amount for him.

He's still a kid. I see no problem with loaning him to the Championship next season and seeing how he does there; I dare say Huddersfield would love to keep him if they go up. He's not even turned 20 yet, so he has a while left before he needs to "make it". I'm not sure when this expectation came in that a player should be ready for the Premier League at 18 or be considered not good enough, but it does seem to be fairly common now. Ward seems to have a lot of attributes that would make him a decent player at this level, but still needs work. He also doesn't have the pace to make up for what he lacks in other areas, so it may take him a bit longer to come through.

 

Rooney. Thats why, one fat freak and everyone reckons theyre over the hill by 23