no balls Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 can we not just give em their money back and revoke their season tickets...if they have 'em No, because Duncan, goes to at least 80% of matches a season and watch shit so I am fully entitled to say what I do and if you dont like it tough. So there. Callum went on free travel yet, we travel all that way and spend a decent amount of money we should be entitled to speak our opinion. I might go on twitter again later. Do any of these fuckwits post on here, do we know?
birch-chorley Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I can't understand how people think that somebody at the club 'fucked up big time' by not selling Cahill in the summer. It was stated by many on here at the time that our efforts to sell him were starting to look looked desperate. We can't have it both ways. The simple fact is that all the big boys knew about his contract status, they knew we wanted to sell and they knew he was likely that he would want to leave. Yet, we only got one bid - that was way below our valuation. Would we have been saying that 'somebody at the club did a great job' if we sold him for 6 mil or whatever it was? Fact is, he was available and nobody matched the club's valuation. In my book that is not fucking it up. I disagree We looked desperate to sell but all the buyers believed that we where asking too much for a player with only 12 months left on his contract. Elmander cost us ?9m and he went for free. We are supposed to be a trading club that makes money from buying young up and coming players then sells tham on (as Blackburn and Wigan have done resonably well). We are losing our biggest assets for nothing. We either need to tie them down to longer deals or sell them on at full value well before they enter the last 12 months and thats where i think someone fucked up. Elmander went this summer, Cahill will go next then the year after I believe LCY and Holden's contract will come to an end. If we dont tie them to down now then we will be in the same boat next summer and could end up losing them for nothing as well.
Zico Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I disagree We looked desperate to sell but all the buyers believed that we where asking too much for a player with only 12 months left on his contract. Elmander cost us ?9m and he went for free. We are supposed to be a trading club that makes money from buying young up and coming players then sells tham on (as Blackburn and Wigan have done resonably well). We are losing our biggest assets for nothing. We either need to tie them down to longer deals or sell them on at full value well before they enter the last 12 months and thats where i think someone fucked up. Elmander went this summer, Cahill will go next then the year after I believe LCY and Holden's contract will come to an end. If we dont tie them to down now then we will be in the same boat next summer and could end up losing them for nothing as well. in theory, maybe yes in reality - when Elmander entered the final year of his contract he'd done nowt to earn any sort of extension and nowt to sell on at a profit we tied Cahill down once with an extension and it was always obvious he was going to leave, plenty chased him but never made an offer till this summer - so what could we do?
birch-chorley Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 in theory, maybe yes in reality - when Elmander entered the final year of his contract he'd done nowt to earn any sort of extension and nowt to sell on at a profit we tied Cahill down once with an extension and it was always obvious he was going to leave, plenty chased him but never made an offer till this summer - so what could we do? Fair point.... Out of interest what would you do with LCY and Holden then? If you leave contract negotiations until the end of the season then you are in the same situation (i.e both players have entered last 12months of contracts) or do you offer them an extension now before they have fully recovered?
superjohnmcginlay Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) in theory, maybe yes in reality - when Elmander entered the final year of his contract he'd done nowt to earn any sort of extension and nowt to sell on at a profit we tied Cahill down once with an extension and it was always obvious he was going to leave, plenty chased him but never made an offer till this summer - so what could we do? A realistic fee couldve been agreed im not talking 15 million maybe around 8. What I meant we had fooked up because the quality we brought in on the limited funds has proved to be abysmal, maybe with a couple of extra million in the bank and if they money went into the redevelopment of the squad we couldve signed a little better than we did, yes it is good to keep Cahill but the wonderful world of hindsight suggests his performances have been ok but not the level they were. Is his head already turned? So when the shit hits the fan around Jan and we are still in the mire then we will have lost our centre half with a few million less to replace him as well as the others we need to try get into strengthen what we have to have a go at surviving Edited October 31, 2011 by superjohnmcginlay
Zico Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Fair point.... Out of interest what would you do with LCY and Holden then? If you leave contract negotiations until the end of the season then you are in the same situation (i.e both players have entered last 12months of contracts) or do you offer them an extension now before they have fully recovered? tie them down now whilst they are feeling sorry for themselves tough one though with Holden's injury record you'd be wary, but as his injuries tend to be freak/accidents as opposed to recurring he could easily fully recover and be back to his best and off to somewhere else in no time (once fit)
Zico Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 A realistic fee couldve been agreed im not talking 15 million maybe around 8. What I meant we had fooked up because the quality we brought in on the limited funds has proved to be abysmal, maybe with a couple of extra million in the bank and if they money went into the redevelopment of the squad we couldve signed a little better than we did, yes it is good to keep Cahill but the wonderful world of hindsight suggests his performances have been ok but not the level they were. Is his head already turned? So when the shit hits the fan around Jan and we are still in the mire then we will have lost our centre half with a few million less to replace him as well as the others we need to try get into strengthen what we have to have a go at surviving by the time Arsenal started making anything like an offer we'd already got our championship squad fillers through the doors and little time to bring in anyone of any real quality so had we accepted 8m for him so late in the day we would now be citing that as a reason for us doing so shite
DazBob Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I'm going to have a spare couple of hours tonight before the Apprentice is on. I'm feeling the urge to send some abuse his way. If he can give it out then he should be happy take it.
Globetrotter Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I disagree We looked desperate to sell but all the buyers believed that we where asking too much for a player with only 12 months left on his contract. Elmander cost us ?9m and he went for free. We are supposed to be a trading club that makes money from buying young up and coming players then sells tham on (as Blackburn and Wigan have done resonably well). We are losing our biggest assets for nothing. We either need to tie them down to longer deals or sell them on at full value well before they enter the last 12 months and thats where i think someone fucked up. Elmander went this summer, Cahill will go next then the year after I believe LCY and Holden's contract will come to an end. If we dont tie them to down now then we will be in the same boat next summer and could end up losing them for nothing as well. That would mean offering Chungy a new contract now and if he shows no interest we would put him in the shop window (openly) in January. Assuming he was fit, if Gartside offered him out in Jan there would be a much longer thread than this in response. "Lack of ambition, how can we get out of a dog fight if we sell our best players ...." The amazing thing for me and I guess all of us(putting all club loyalty to one side)is that none of the main clubs put a more than a token effort in to get Cahill. The logical one for me was Liverpool as part of the N'Gog deal but they went for another option, Arsenal as we know when for the German head on a stick. It even has me wondering whether the release fee that Megson stuck in his contract has given us all an unrealistic view of just how much he is worth.
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