Good debate on talksport at the minute, some coaching guy is on the Brazil decrying the lack of technical skills in UK players. Cites that reason as to why the english 18- 23 year old are not playing for their first teams and that there are foreigners in their places, and putting them in a B league will not fix this.

 

Nail on head.

Will look out for the white sox Pablo.

 

 

And they don't even wear white sock!!!!

The Euxton pitches usually pretty good there a good set up. Will keep an eye of for you Pablo.

I will no doubt be knobbing about with the footy, trying to take all the kids on.......Im the knobhead dad of the team !

Theres a shock.

Not sure of the full format yet, but gather we will see loads of teams from around Lancs.

 

Hope weather holds up. How are the pitches ??

 

We play in a very fetching bright green. You may know the coaches.

 

 

i often mistake csw for mk

i often mistake csw for mk

 

 

csw / Desperado / mk, all the same !!!

aye, big fcukers

More sense in this thread than anything that ever comes out of the FA (including Greg Dyke), whose thoughts are pretty much entirely dominated by the big clubs, money, the big clubs, money .....

 

Just one quibble though. Not that many German, Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Swedish (other?) international players come from poverty backgrounds and street football, I suspect.

Also, I have seen these Development accademies tell parents their kid is too small.

 

That is alot kinder than hearing, he is not good enough.

 

Which also then comes back round to, maybe he will be if someone gave small kids a chance.

 

I know that last year, Man United were looking at setting another accademy up, for the smaller kids that would get pushed around at the Elite level. Like a mini elite !!

Edited May 13, 201412 yr by Pablo

Luke Shaw ... was a member of Arsenal's Development Centre aged 6/7. Released

Joined Chelsea - too small.

Fulham 3-week trial - too small.

Seen in an u9 tournament by Southampton scout. Twisted PL rules to join as it's 64 miles from home to academy, but almost all motorway, so accepted as within the 1 hour travel limit for u12s.

For all those who are coaching/working with kids, a question;  Are they actually being taught technical skills?

 

 I ask because in all my years of playing football (not at any great standard it has to be said) I can't really ever remember being taught 'the basics'.  My brother, who was a decent player (inter league teams and town team at youth level) wasn't ever taught these things either.  Although, I remember my folks paying for him to go to some Bobby Charlton coaching school where he did learn a bit. 

 

By comparison, our school PE teacher once showed us a video of Dutch kids training.  It was unbelievable.  All doing drills and repeating basic ball control techniques until it was second nature, and not a massive 'hoofer' in site.

 

Yes, we were shown how to trap, pass, shoot etc but for a bout 10 minutes after running around a pitch to warm up and then having a match.  That's how I remember training.  Completely different to the continental approach and the approach I've seen in other sports here, like martial arts, where focus is probably 80% on technique.

 

I'd genuinely be interested to hear if that mentality has changed in this country.  Fair play to all those giving your time up for that as well!

For all those who are coaching/working with kids, a question;  Are they actually being taught technical skills?

 

 I ask because in all my years of playing football (not at any great standard it has to be said) I can't really ever remember being taught 'the basics'.  My brother, who was a decent player (inter league teams and town team at youth level) wasn't ever taught these things either.  Although, I remember my folks paying for him to go to some Bobby Charlton coaching school where he did learn a bit. 

 

By comparison, our school PE teacher once showed us a video of Dutch kids training.  It was unbelievable.  All doing drills and repeating basic ball control techniques until it was second nature, and not a massive 'hoofer' in site.

 

Yes, we were shown how to trap, pass, shoot etc but for a bout 10 minutes after running around a pitch to warm up and then having a match.  That's how I remember training.  Completely different to the continental approach and the approach I've seen in other sports here, like martial arts, where focus is probably 80% on technique.

 

I'd genuinely be interested to hear if that mentality has changed in this country.  Fair play to all those giving your time up for that as well!

 

I think the FA are trying to go down that route but the biggest problem I find is the kids don't like repetitive drills they soon switch off and lose concentration, maybe the Dutch kids in general are more disciplined or get fired off by coaches quicker if they don't apply themselves, I've only been coaching at a low level for 3 years so I would appreciate what other coaches with more experience think about kids concentrating and firing kids off who can't cope with concentrating and applying themselves.

One of the problems is the time the coach get with the kids. They get an hour a week, then its onto the game on a Saturday.

 

For a voluntary coach, its very very hard to get technical work in, and work on other aspects of the game, and arrange all the games etc, Maybe the other aspects is not needed.

 

These coaching schools / accademies are the ones that teach the skills / technical aspects more. 45 mins of the sessions are devoted to them, but not everyone can afford these.

 

Who is it that should be teaching it ?? The dads that run teams, after working 50 hours a week ???

Edited May 14, 201412 yr by Pablo

Going back to small players I've a tiny kid who plays for me he's had a lot of extra coaching as his dad's the coach for the under 10s and he trains with them as well as with our under 9s his technique is probably as good as any one in my team he's a good athlete and also very clever and understands the game better than any of my players yet he's not had any one look at him as far as I know and he's better than lads I know who have been to trial at pro clubs. (Not saying he's good enough to make it) but I'm sure if he was 6 inches taller and a bit stronger scouts would take more interest.

Edited May 14, 201412 yr by Mounts Kipper

One of the problems is the time that coached get with the kids. They get an hour a week, then its onto the game on a Saturday.

 

For a voluntary coach, its very very hard to get technical work in, and work on other aspects of the game, and arrange all the games etc, Maybe the other aspects is not needed.

 

These coaching schools / accademies are the ones that teach the skills / technical aspects more. 45 mins of the sessions are devoted to them, but not everyone can afford these.

 

Who is it that should be teaching it ?? The dads that run teams, after working 50 hours a week ???

 

Think your right 1 hour a week is not enough unless the kids go home and practice in their back garden or are allowed to play out unsupervised( sadly most kids are not allowed)

Going back to small players I've a tiny kid who plays for me he's had a lot of extra coaching as his dad's the coach for the under 10s and he trains with them as well as with our under 9s his technique is probably as good as any one in my team he's a good athlete and also very clever and understands the game better than any of my players yet he's not had any one look at him as far as I know and he's better than lads I know who have been to trial at pro clubs. (Not saying he's good enough to make it) but I'm sure if he was 6 inches taller and a bit stronger scouts would take more interest.

 

 

He will get his exposure, once he does grow a bit. If scouts have been at games he has played, I guarentee you they have noted him.

 

My lad is the exact same as you just descibed, yet he is the smallest player at his age, I dont ever want him to stop the stuff he does, I dont care how many times he loses the ball, and the other parents are not happy he didn't put it on a plate for their kid.

Think your right 1 hour a week is not enough unless the kids go home and practice in their back garden or are allowed to play out unsupervised( sadly most kids are not allowed)

 

 

I think parents have a bigger role to play than coaches, and are just as much a problem, as the lack of pitches and number of coaches, they cant just leave it to that voluntary coach to do in 1 hour....then blame him why his son is not at Man City / United.

I think parents have a bigger role to play than coaches, and are just as much a problem, as the lack of pitches and number of coaches, they cant just leave it to that voluntary coach to do in 1 hour....then blame him why his son is not at Man City / United.

100% correct if the parents don't help their kids in between sessions improvements going to be slow.

100% correct if the parents don't help their kids in between sessions improvements going to be slow.

 

 

People can misatke the Extra coaching as pushing them too hard, which is bollocks....its playing footy.

Edited May 14, 201412 yr by Pablo

I have two sons who play junior football at a good standard and Ive spent a lot of time at both Everton and Bolton academies over the past couple of seasons. When you get to that level the coaching is excellent and often by ex senior pros. The pitches are unbelievable in quality. The problem is at grass roots level where kids are playing on terrible pitches that are not conducive to good technique. My eldest lad went one week from playing on academy pitches to being back with his club team where he nearly lost a boot in the mud playing on the local park field.

 

If I was in charge of Junior football I would play small sided shorter matches on 3G pitches up to at least age 12/13 to allow them to get plenty of touches and to get the basic techniques right before moving on to 'proper' football. In order to do this I would build floodlit multiple pitches in central areas and have kids come to the one venue rather than each team having its own pitch. In this way you could play matches at various times from early in the morning until late at night depending on age groups.

 

I have seen too many games over the years where the side that wins the game has the biggest kids who can lump the ball the furthest out of the mud. Nobody learns from that.

One of the problems is the time the coach get with the kids. They get an hour a week, then its onto the game on a Saturday.

 

For a voluntary coach, its very very hard to get technical work in, and work on other aspects of the game, and arrange all the games etc, Maybe the other aspects is not needed.

 

These coaching schools / accademies are the ones that teach the skills / technical aspects more. 45 mins of the sessions are devoted to them, but not everyone can afford these.

 

Who is it that should be teaching it ?? The dads that run teams, after working 50 hours a week ???

 

Some interesting points from you and Mounts.  I thought it quite ironic how we were shown a video of how other kids are coached in school rather than actually being coached that way.  I agree though that most kids would get bored and switch off, and that there isn't really the time to devote to it in a one hour session once a week.  

 

I heard that the coaching badges cost something like 3 grand here but are a few hundred quid to enroll on overseas . . . that speaks volumes.

 

FWIW I believe it's this lack of technical coaching at early levels that holds us back as I don't think British kids are any less able than S. American/European kids.  It's a mentality which could be changed

 

As ever though, from what you say, time and money seem to be the main stumbling blocks.  

I have two sons who play junior football at a good standard and Ive spent a lot of time at both Everton and Bolton academies over the past couple of seasons. When you get to that level the coaching is excellent and often by ex senior pros. The pitches are unbelievable in quality. The problem is at grass roots level where kids are playing on terrible pitches that are not conducive to good technique. My eldest lad went one week from playing on academy pitches to being back with his club team where he nearly lost a boot in the mud playing on the local park field.

 

If I was in charge of Junior football I would play small sided shorter matches on 3G pitches up to at least age 12/13 to allow them to get plenty of touches and to get the basic techniques right before moving on to 'proper' football. In order to do this I would build floodlit multiple pitches in central areas and have kids come to the one venue rather than each team having its own pitch. In this way you could play matches at various times from early in the morning until late at night depending on age groups.

 

I have seen too many games over the years where the side that wins the game has the biggest kids who can lump the ball the furthest out of the mud. Nobody learns from that.

 

Good idea that!  Lots of competition to keep interest and a community building side to it as well.  If it was more centralised, perhaps coaches could come in and work with kids en masse?

3g pitches for all, would be a dream....and unfortunatly is just that. They cost a fortune.

 

Under 7's as of now, play this exact format, and the Bolton & Bury league is sponsored by BWFC. They play at Arena and Prem 5's.

 

Pitches are a huge problem, your spot on. In the wet months, my lad needs armbands, and he has no chance of running with the ball, absolute no chance. So he just gets lost in the game, to the big lads.

Is there not a shout for kids to be playing Futsal in the summer rather than rolling around with the local fat kid on a muddy field in December?

 

Kids have been bought up on Futsal on the continent for decades.

 

Would improve ball controll and get kids used passing rather than just passing it to the greedy fast kid.