I’m fuckin sick of it now. 
Got people absolutely frothing at the mouth over Jimmy Carrs gypsy/holocaust joke 

I am of the opinion that comedians have the free right to say absolutely anything they like in order to get a laugh
 

It wasn’t on the bbc, it’s on a paid subscription 

Such outrage over a joke. I don’t get it, if you turn a comedian on and he’s not funny or you’re offended then turn it off what is with this cancel culture bollocks 

If you haven’t seen it this is the joke 

Too many soft cunts in this country

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

So a comedian can say anything and it is always ok ? 

Well that’s not context is it. 
How did they say it, what was the previous joke, what was the preceding line. 
 

If they walked on stage and just said it with no context then it wouldn’t be comedy.

Example Bill Burr said Hitler wasn’t that bad. 
That is taken out of context 

If you went through the rest of the routine he’s saying Stalin is worse, Ghengis Khan is worse than them Both

What he’s saying is that there are dictators out there who have committed bigger atrocities so they would be worse. 

So out of context as a headline yeah it’s not great but when you stand back and realise that it’s comedy and a routine it isn’t bad it’s comedy and it needs all the story

6 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Well that’s not context is it. 
How did they say it, what was the previous joke, what was the preceding line. 
 

If they walked on stage and just said it with no context then it wouldn’t be comedy.

Example Bill Burr said Hitler wasn’t that bad. 
That is taken out of context 

If you went through the rest of the routine he’s saying Stalin is worse, Ghengis Khan is worse than them Both

What he’s saying is that there are dictators out there who have committed bigger atrocities so they would be worse. 

So out of context as a headline yeah it’s not great but when you stand back and realise that it’s comedy and a routine it isn’t bad it’s comedy and it needs all the story

So who decides if the context makes it acceptable ?
Jimmy Carr as part of his routine has the shit in her cunt joke, he tells it as part of the routine that these are offensive jokes and he is telling the joke to measure the audiences level of offence.  So by having an offensive joke section that acceptable context ? It is always going to be subjective not just context. 

…you get arrested and thrown in jail….

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

So who decides if the context makes it acceptable ?
Jimmy Carr as part of his routine has the shit in her cunt joke, he tells it as part of the routine that these are offensive jokes and he is telling the joke to measure the audiences level of offence.  So by having an offensive joke section that acceptable context ? It is always going to be subjective not just context. 

Oh my days Ani, the context is that it’s a joke. It’s not actually meant. He’s doing it to get a laugh. He isn’t actually glad gypsies died. 
He’s taking one of the worst moments in history, and making a joke about it. The bad part of the joke isn’t the the joke it’s that it even happened, but for context he’s making you forget about that and making a shitty joke and making that the bigger part. 

“People get offended when they mistake the subject of the joke with the actual target, and they’re not necessarily the same thing, you can make jokes about any subject, it depends what the joke is , there’s no rules, you can’t joke about…. You can! And nothing is sacred and everything should be subject to ridicule. You can’t hurt peoples feelings, well you can if their feelings are wrong” 

Ricky Gervais absolute nails it.

 

20 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Oh my days Ani, the context is that it’s a joke. It’s not actually meant. He’s doing it to get a laugh. He isn’t actually glad gypsies died. 
He’s taking one of the worst moments in history, and making a joke about it. The bad part of the joke isn’t the the joke it’s that it even happened, but for context he’s making you forget about that and making a shitty joke and making that the bigger part. 

Oh my days ? So if a survivor of one of the 'worst moments in history' says ' I do not think making a joke about is ever going to be funny' and let's be honest the joke is not an educational piece it is a joke.
You would say ' sorry mate you are missing the point' and explain context to him? 
To be clear I am not offended by the joke but if you are dismissing anyone who is, ironically without understanding the context they are coming from you are the one who needs the 'oh my days' comment. You need to get your arguments in a line btw you are now saying 'it is a joke'.

 

Is there any subject that you think people can not joke about ? 

 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Oh my days ? So if a survivor of one of the 'worst moments in history' says ' I do not think making a joke about is ever going to be funny' and let's be honest the joke is not an educational piece it is a joke.
You would say ' sorry mate you are missing the point' and explain context to him? 
To be clear I am not offended by the joke but if you are dismissing anyone who is, ironically without understanding the context they are coming from you are the one who needs the 'oh my days' comment. You need to get your arguments in a line btw you are now saying 'it is a joke'.

 

Is there any subject that you think people can not joke about ? 

 

Yes. Because it’s not a joke about the holocaust for one. I would have no problem finding people joking about slavery, racism,sexism,because it’s a way to relax with the situation. If it’s not funny then it’s not funny but that doesn’t make it offensive. 
Everyone could be offended at every joke. So what happens we don’t make jokes about anything because one person could be offended? 
If you are offended by one joke that may offend someone but not offended by another joke that may offend someone else and you actually laugh then you’re hypocrite 

If you understand context and it’s comedy then it doesn’t actually matter
 

And no there isn’t a subject I don’t think you could joke about. 

30 minutes ago, Ani said:

Oh my days ? So if a survivor of one of the 'worst moments in history' says ' I do not think making a joke about is ever going to be funny' and let's be honest the joke is not an educational piece it is a joke.
You would say ' sorry mate you are missing the point' and explain context to him? 
To be clear I am not offended by the joke but if you are dismissing anyone who is, ironically without understanding the context they are coming from you are the one who needs the 'oh my days' comment. You need to get your arguments in a line btw you are now saying 'it is a joke'.

 

Is there any subject that you think people can not joke about ? 

 

Me and my mum used to make jokes about her cancer. And we belly laughed too.

Humour exists everywhere and I can’t think of one joke ever killing someone.

Most of it is about holding a mirror up to ourselves and realising we’re just lumps of sentient flesh careering towards the same, dead as fucking fuck fate.

In the end, if you’re not funny, nay cunt will pay to listen to you and then you’ll have to stop.

50 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Oh my days Ani...

What the fuck is this fucking The Jerry Springer show, are you a black or white trash cheated on woman from Tupelo, Mississipi? Or some bint from South London? I'm worried about you, Rudy. I let 'The Enemy' love go, but that is a phrase used solely by birds, including Adele.

Just now, Rudy said:

Yes. Because it’s not a joke about the holocaust for one. I would have no problem finding people joking about slavery, racism,sexism,because it’s a way to relax with the situation. If it’s not funny then it’s not funny but that doesn’t make it offensive. 
Everyone could be offended at every joke. So what happens we don’t make jokes about anything because one person could be offended? 
If you are offended by one joke that may offend someone but not offended by another joke that may offend someone else and you actually laugh then you’re hypocrite 

If you understand context and it’s comedy then it doesn’t actually matter
 

And no there isn’t a subject I don’t think you could joke about. 

So there is never a line ?

Let's say Chubby Brown turned up in Bradford and made a joke about the fire. Context it is Chubby Brown concert, he is edgy. The joke is about a barbecue. And someone in the audience takes offence, to me taking offence is reasonable (RCB denies it ever happened) 

In your example above you call me a hypocrite and the example you use is about my reactions, but if you read what I am actually saying I have never mentioned me being offended, very little does offend me. What I have said repeatedly and you seem not get is that context is subjective. 
You have explained that saying 'Hitler is not so bad' because of the context and comparison to other dictators. Fact ? 
Why does the preamble and the story around it matter ? If it is a joke you have said it is ok, so why give any context ? The fact is you have a context that makes that statement ok in your opinion.  
Boltys example of his mate putting a sack cloth on his head and making a joke about a lynching, ok ? 
The fact which I won't repeat again anymore than you will quit the Board again is that just saying it is a joke does not create a context that means some people won't have a legitimate reason to be offended. 
 

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Me and my mum used to make jokes about her cancer. And we belly laughed too.

Humour exists everywhere and I can’t think of one joke ever killing someone.

Most of it is about holding a mirror up to ourselves and realising we’re just lumps of sentient flesh careering towards the same, dead as fucking fuck fate.

In the end, if you’re not funny, nay cunt will pay to listen to you and then you’ll have to stop.

Capitalist twats pay to see unfunny cunts like Carr.

The funniest thing I've ever seen was the Elephant Man getting spun around by Boon's mates and getting gin poured on his Kipper which the fanny spat out - whilst Elphick clapped on their antics. Then he (Merrick) fell back into Bytes' clutches - "get up you bastard!"

Comedy gold.

9 minutes ago, Ani said:

So there is never a line ?

Let's say Chubby Brown turned up in Bradford and made a joke about the fire. Context it is Chubby Brown concert, he is edgy. The joke is about a barbecue. And someone in the audience takes offence, to me taking offence is reasonable (RCB denies it ever happened) 

In your example above you call me a hypocrite and the example you use is about my reactions, but if you read what I am actually saying I have never mentioned me being offended, very little does offend me. What I have said repeatedly and you seem not get is that context is subjective. 
You have explained that saying 'Hitler is not so bad' because of the context and comparison to other dictators. Fact ? 
Why does the preamble and the story around it matter ? If it is a joke you have said it is ok, so why give any context ? The fact is you have a context that makes that statement ok in your opinion.  
Boltys example of his mate putting a sack cloth on his head and making a joke about a lynching, ok ? 
The fact which I won't repeat again anymore than you will quit the Board again is that just saying it is a joke does not create a context that means some people won't have a legitimate reason to be offended. 
 

It was a paper sack.

3 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

It was a paper sack.

Sorry 😂😂😁. 

Rudy is bang on. How far will we let this sanitisation (read 'removal of free speech as a basic tenet of democracy') go. Far too many cunts out there frantically searching for something to be offended about. (Dalek voice) Exterminate!

They dragged a swamp in Mississipi - some black fella in chains, the sheriff said "well it's typical of a <expletive deleted> to steal more chains than he could swim away with."

About as funny as stage 4 lung cancer.

Katie Price is a media whore, she puts her kids out there, but Frankie Alky Boyle takes the piss out of a blind disabled lad - hello you cunt.

Carr just isn't funny, never done a day's work in his life. He's just a twat. Manning was a twat but he did have timing.

Cancel culture my arse. he's going to have to avoid travellers the rest of his life - the 'gottle o' geer' unfunny twat.

"Hurgh, Hurgh, hurrgh, huh."

Like a fucking sealion.

Go and do a gig for a chemical weapons firm then send your fee to your British Virgin Islands account you ventriloquist dummy twat.

 

6 hours ago, Ani said:

So there is never a line ?

Let's say Chubby Brown turned up in Bradford and made a joke about the fire. Context it is Chubby Brown concert, he is edgy. The joke is about a barbecue. And someone in the audience takes offence, to me taking offence is reasonable (RCB denies it ever happened) 

In your example above you call me a hypocrite and the example you use is about my reactions, but if you read what I am actually saying I have never mentioned me being offended, very little does offend me. What I have said repeatedly and you seem not get is that context is subjective. 
You have explained that saying 'Hitler is not so bad' because of the context and comparison to other dictators. Fact ? 
Why does the preamble and the story around it matter ? If it is a joke you have said it is ok, so why give any context ? The fact is you have a context that makes that statement ok in your opinion.  
Boltys example of his mate putting a sack cloth on his head and making a joke about a lynching, ok ? 
The fact which I won't repeat again anymore than you will quit the Board again is that just saying it is a joke does not create a context that means some people won't have a legitimate reason to be offended. 
 

If it’s comedy no I don’t ever think there is a line or rule. Stand up comedy imo is the place where you should be able to say absolutely anything. 
 

“Did you get paid? Did they laugh? Then tell Bill to have a coke and smile and shut the fuck it” 
Richard Pryor said that to Eddie Murphy when Bill Cosby critiqued Eddies Stand up routine for being too offensive and he’s spot on. 

That’s my point ,‘it’s ok to be offended it’s ok to offend someone, but to come out and try to cancel a comedian over a joke is a slippery slope and not one I ever hope to see comedians go down.

Edited February 8, 20224 yr by Rudy

I just dont think uncle Ani gets it.

Or is just being argumentative for the sake of it

9 hours ago, Rudy said:

Oh my days Ani, the context is that it’s a joke. It’s not actually meant. He’s doing it to get a laugh. He isn’t actually glad gypsies died. 
He’s taking one of the worst moments in history, and making a joke about it. The bad part of the joke isn’t the the joke it’s that it even happened, but for context he’s making you forget about that and making a shitty joke and making that the bigger part. 

Swap the word gypsy for black. Exact same joke, exact same context.

Still ok?

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Swap the word gypsy for black. Exact same joke, exact same context.

Still ok?

Yes. 

7 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Yes. 

Think he'd try and say it?

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I just dont think uncle Ani gets it.

Or is just being argumentative for the sake of it

I get it just do not agree. And quoting comedians as your proof does not work.

@Rudy is now saying it is ok to be offended, whereas earlier argument was if you are offended you are missing the point. Subtle change in point. I repeat as it has not been answered Chubby Brown making a joke about the fire at Bradford is always going to be offensive to a lot of people in the audience even if they have paid money to go and see a comedian well known for the edge to his act. 

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

I get it just do not agree. And quoting comedians as your proof does not work.

@Rudy is now saying it is ok to be offended, whereas earlier argument was if you are offended you are missing the point. Subtle change in point. I repeat as it has not been answered Chubby Brown making a joke about the fire at Bradford is always going to be offensive to a lot of people in the audience even if they have paid money to go and see a comedian well known for the edge to his act. 

Even Bolty didn't think it was ok the joke about the Bradford fire.

24 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Swap the word gypsy for black. Exact same joke, exact same context.

Still ok?

Thats not the joke is it.

Its about tapping in to peoples conscious about gypsies. 

It makes people reel because its probably true.

He wouldn't have said black because that wouldn't have made any sense.

11 minutes ago, Ani said:

I get it just do not agree. And quoting comedians as your proof does not work.

@Rudy is now saying it is ok to be offended, whereas earlier argument was if you are offended you are missing the point. Subtle change in point. I repeat as it has not been answered Chubby Brown making a joke about the fire at Bradford is always going to be offensive to a lot of people in the audience even if they have paid money to go and see a comedian well known for the edge to his act. 

Proof of what?

I don’t need to provide proof I’m saying with those quotes that comedy has always had the ability to be edgy and close to the bone. It isn’t something new. If you’re offended fine turn it off, but it doesn’t give anyone the moral high ground to think that a comedian should be cancelled because they find a certain subject offensive 

If we start picking and choosing what subjects are ok to talk and make jokes about then where will it stop?