wakey Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Think we all feel there's a tendency not to show up in the big games. To be fair, looking at other teams forums they all tend to feel the same way. I love a spurious stat, so thought I'd compare this season to last and to previous successful seasons. These are our results against teams who were in the top 8 at the time we played them (hence differing number of games over different seasons). 2023/24 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 4 2 0 14 2.33 Away 7 2 2 3 8 1.14 Total 13 6 4 3 22 1.69 2022/23 P W D L Pts ppg Home 8 3 3 2 12 1.50 Away 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Total 14 5 4 5 19 1.36 Improvement on last season due to better home results. Not yet bettered our away form, but a win today at Stevenage will pull that up. 2016/17 P W D L Pts ppg Home 5 4 1 0 13 2.60 Away 6 2 2 2 8 1.33 Total 11 6 3 2 21 1.91 Bit behind when we went up under PP, but again a win today takes us to 1.79 ppg, a bit closer (and win v Portsmouth and Pbro and we better it). 2000/01 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Away 5 1 3 1 6 1.20 Total 11 3 4 4 13 1.18 Worst of this bunch, when we went up with Sam. Surprisingly poor results against those around us. And just for a comparison we can all dream of .... 1996/97 P W D L Pts ppg Home 10 5 5 0 20 2.00 Away 9 5 4 0 19 2.11 Total 19 10 9 0 39 2.05 Interpret however you want, but for me shows we're in the ballpark compared with previous successful seasons (and will be when we win our three remaining!) Edited March 29 by wakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I think it'd be better to look at results against the clubs that finish top six at the end of the season But this isn't for now, all that matters at this stage if that we get as many points as possible in the remaining fixtures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, wakey said: Think we all feel there's a tendency not to show up in the big games. To be fair, looking at other teams forums they all tend to feel the same way. I love a spurious stat, so thought I'd compare this season to last and to previous successful seasons. These are our results against teams who were in the top 8 at the time we played them (hence differing number of games over different seasons). 2023/24 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 4 2 0 14 2.33 Away 7 2 2 3 8 1.14 Total 13 6 4 3 22 1.69 2022/23 P W D L Pts ppg Home 8 3 3 2 12 1.50 Away 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Total 14 5 4 5 19 1.36 Improvement on last season due to better home results. Not yet bettered our away form, but a win today at Stevenage will pull that up. 2016/17 P W D L Pts ppg Home 5 4 1 0 13 2.60 Away 6 2 2 2 8 1.33 Total 11 6 3 2 21 1.91 Bit behind when we went up under PP, but again a win today takes us to 1.79 ppg, a bit closer (and win v Portsmouth and Pbro and we better it). 2000/01 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Away 5 1 3 1 6 1.20 Total 11 3 4 4 13 1.18 Worst of this bunch, when we went up with Sam. Surprisingly poor results against those around us. And just for a comparison we can all dream of .... 1996/97 P W D L Pts ppg Home 10 5 5 0 20 2.00 Away 9 5 4 0 19 2.11 Total 19 10 9 0 39 2.05 Interpret however you want, but for me shows we're in the ballpark compared with previous successful seasons (and will be when we win our three remaining!) Cheers for sharing. Under Allardyce we did well to keep so close with Fulham and Blackburn who had budgets we couldn’t comprehend. Be interesting to see how we did against the bottom 8 as I remember a few shockers at home especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, tomski said: Cheers for sharing. Under Allardyce we did well to keep so close with Fulham and Blackburn who had budgets we couldn’t comprehend. Be interesting to see how we did against the bottom 8 as I remember a few shockers at home especially. Comparison with this season. Teams in bottom 8 at the time we played them. (kills a few of them very slow minutes waiting for kick off 🙂) 2023/24 P W D L Pts ppg Home 7 4 1 2 13 1.86 Away 5 3 1 1 10 2.00 Total 12 7 2 3 23 1.92 2000/01 P W D L Pts ppg Home 8 4 4 0 16 2.00 Away 7 5 1 1 16 2.29 Total 15 9 5 1 32 2.13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Somebody needs to have a word with Santos, again his slowness nearly cost us and his passing is dreadful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 29 Moderators Share Posted March 29 7 hours ago, wakey said: Think we all feel there's a tendency not to show up in the big games. To be fair, looking at other teams forums they all tend to feel the same way. I love a spurious stat, so thought I'd compare this season to last and to previous successful seasons. These are our results against teams who were in the top 8 at the time we played them (hence differing number of games over different seasons). 2023/24 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 4 2 0 14 2.33 Away 7 2 2 3 8 1.14 Total 13 6 4 3 22 1.69 2022/23 P W D L Pts ppg Home 8 3 3 2 12 1.50 Away 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Total 14 5 4 5 19 1.36 Improvement on last season due to better home results. Not yet bettered our away form, but a win today at Stevenage will pull that up. 2016/17 P W D L Pts ppg Home 5 4 1 0 13 2.60 Away 6 2 2 2 8 1.33 Total 11 6 3 2 21 1.91 Bit behind when we went up under PP, but again a win today takes us to 1.79 ppg, a bit closer (and win v Portsmouth and Pbro and we better it). 2000/01 P W D L Pts ppg Home 6 2 1 3 7 1.17 Away 5 1 3 1 6 1.20 Total 11 3 4 4 13 1.18 Worst of this bunch, when we went up with Sam. Surprisingly poor results against those around us. And just for a comparison we can all dream of .... 1996/97 P W D L Pts ppg Home 10 5 5 0 20 2.00 Away 9 5 4 0 19 2.11 Total 19 10 9 0 39 2.05 Interpret however you want, but for me shows we're in the ballpark compared with previous successful seasons (and will be when we win our three remaining!) Iirc when SA got us promoted the general pattern was much better away results than home Was the same when he got West ham promoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Forget top and bottom, let’s look at the league table.p as a whole we have messed up royally this season end of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostock Whites Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Pompey got a whole 10 points more than us on the road this season. That's the difference right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Lostock Whites said: Pompey got a whole 10 points more than us on the road this season. That's the difference right there. I don’t want to gatecrash a top 8 chat with a top 12 stat, but I will… 😁 The results away from home this season against the (current) top half teams: Bolton - P10, W1, D4, L5 = 7 points Derby - P10, W5, D1, L4 = 16 points Pompey - P9, W5, D4, L0 = 19 points. People talk about Carlisle or Bristol at home as the reason we are not top 2. That’s not the case. Every team has freak one-off results - look at Barnsley and Posh today. The reason we’re not top 2 is because we’re consistently just not good enough away from home against the better teams. Our home form is good, but not good enough to make up this sort of deficit. Edited March 29 by Jol_BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostock Whites Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: I don’t want to gatecrash a top 8 chat with a top 12 stat, but I will… 😁 The results away from home this season against the (current) top half teams: Bolton - P10, W1, D4, L5 = 7 points Derby - P10, W5, D1, L4 = 16 points Pompey - P9, W5, D4, L0 = 19 points. People talk about Carlisle or Bristol at home as the reason we are not top 2. That’s not the case. Every team has freak one-off results - look at Barnsley and Posh today. The reason we’re not top 2 is because we’re consistently just not good enough away from home against the better teams. Our home form is good, but not good enough to make up this sort of deficit. Hit the nail on the head. If we don't go up this season, then the stats right there is the reason why. If it's League 1 again next season, we simply have to be better away from home. Then it's up to Evatt or whoever to implement a way to do that. Since coming in to League 1 we have greatly struggled away from home Edited March 29 by Lostock Whites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 30 Moderators Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Lostock Whites said: Hit the nail on the head. If we don't go up this season, then the stats right there is the reason why. If it's League 1 again next season, we simply have to be better away from home. Then it's up to Evatt or whoever to implement a way to do that. Since coming in to League 1 we have greatly struggled away from home Whether it's away from home or against the better sides, we need a team that doesn't just think they can rock up away and play like we do at home against the weaker sides And who then disappear when that doesn't happen If we are to progress under him that needs to happen regardless of what league we're in We might just get away with it this season, we definitely wouldn't in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 15 hours ago, Zico said: Iirc when SA got us promoted the general pattern was much better away results than home Was the same when he got West ham promoted Without looking I seem to remember it being a record for away wins in a season , could be wrong though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stig Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said: Without looking I seem to remember it being a record for away wins in a season , could be wrong though Yep it was and still is our record, 14 out of 23. Not the most skillful team in the division but really well drilled. Seemed like all those wins were no nonsense 2 nils as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 30 Moderators Share Posted March 30 10 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said: Without looking I seem to remember it being a record for away wins in a season , could be wrong though 3 minutes ago, Stig said: Yep it was and still is our record, 14 out of 23. Not the most skillful team in the division but really well drilled. Seemed like all those wins were no nonsense 2 nils as well Just been having a look Us 10 home wins, 14 away Finished 3rd, won play offs West ham 11 home wins, 13 away Finished 3rd, won play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 17 minutes ago, Stig said: Yep it was and still is our record, 14 out of 23. Not the most skillful team in the division but really well drilled. Seemed like all those wins were no nonsense 2 nils as well Was a fantastic season considering the players we lost. Sam had us punching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 18 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: I don’t want to gatecrash a top 8 chat with a top 12 stat, but I will… 😁 The results away from home this season against the (current) top half teams: Bolton - P10, W1, D4, L5 = 7 points Derby - P10, W5, D1, L4 = 16 points Pompey - P9, W5, D4, L0 = 19 points. I think what also puts it in perspective is that even struggling teams get the occasional away win at a promotion contender. Looking at games away at the top 10 (to Orient), plus Wigan who would be top 10 without the deduction: Derby and Pompey top (17 and 16 points). Then Posh (12), Charlton, Wigan and Orient 11, Barnsley and Blackpool 10. We have 6 points, this is below the likes of Northampton, Exeter, Burton, Port Vale and even Carlisle. The only teams with less than us are Wycombe, Shrewsbury, Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Cambridge (their win at Barnsley was their only one). Just a small improvement against top 10 teams would make a huge difference to our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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