http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/sport/fo...s_at_reebok.php

 

Wanderers have turned down Ipswich Town's request to take Abdoulaye Meite on loan until the end of the season. The Ivory Coast defender, whose future at the Reebok looks bleak after he refused to come out for the second-half of the Manchester United game at Old Trafford, flew home to France at the weekend.

If the vultures remain as tame as Ipswich and circle over players not up to it such as Meite then bring them on.

 

However if the inevitable happens expect Diouf, Jussi, Cahill, Davies and Nolan to be first out of the door. It would take a good manager to rebuild well enough to get out of the Championship from the remains.

If the vultures remain as tame as Ipswich and circle over players not up to it such as Meite then bring them on.

 

However if the inevitable happens expect Diouf, Jussi, Cahill, Davies and Nolan to be first out of the door. It would take a good manager to rebuild well enough to get out of the Championship from the remains.

 

 

I think Davies & Nolan will stay. I might be wrong, but I do think those two will.

http://www.fansfc.com/frontpage/frontpagen...p?newsid=182699

 

This reckons Meite is the one who said no...........

http://www.fansfc.com/frontpage/frontpagen...p?newsid=182699

 

This reckons Meite is the one who said no...........

Interesting. Well here's an idea then. BWFC shouldn't pay the lazy good for nothing gobshite (obviously, only if the stories are true though.)

Just saying like.

Interesting. Well here's an idea then. BWFC shouldn't pay the lazy good for nothing gobshite (obviously, only if the stories are true though.)

Just saying like.

stick him up front, he can be criticised for not scoring then

I think Davies & Nolan will stay. I might be wrong, but I do think those two will.

 

I think you could be right there, although i think we will lose cash on Cahill

I think you could be right there, although i think we will lose cash on Cahill

Don't really agree with that about Cahill, given that he's young and english we should at least get back what we paid for him. That is unless we're desperate for the money and are put in a position where we have to sell. Also don't think he's the type of player to want out if the worst was to happen and we go down.

I think Davies & Nolan will stay. I might be wrong, but I do think those two will.

 

If Davies stays (Kev, not Ed), is there any chance of us changing from the 4-5-1 lump-it-forward style ?

Or any chance of us having a scoring front-man ?

Just wondering like ....

I think Davies & Nolan will stay. I might be wrong, but I do think those two will.

 

I think you are right, as I can't imagine any established premiership sides wanting them. The scary thing is I doubt whether either will look a world beater in the Championship if they do stay.

I think you are right, as I can't imagine any established premiership sides wanting them. The scary thing is I doubt whether either will look a world beater in the Championship if they do stay.

 

Do either of them look at world beater now?

 

If we went down, the whole squad needs revamping, with Davies especially being the first out of the door.....we may actually learn how to play football then

If we went down, the whole squad needs revamping, with Davies especially being the first out of the door.....we may actually learn how to play football then

 

 

Have you seen the teams Megson built at WBA to get out of The Championship?

 

The team will be built around the likes of Davies next season.

 

Your hopes of us playing football will only become true if Eddie Davies sells up, resulting in Gartside going and the new owner wanting to replace Megson.

 

If Eddie Davies stays, Gartside stays and Megson stays.

 

 

You better get used to it because irrelevent of what division we are in next season (if Eddie Davies stays), Megson will be in charge.

If Eddie Davies stays, Gartside stays and Megson stays.

To be honest, I don't see Eddie Davies going anywhere. In order for him to do so, he would have to sell the club, which would mean that somebody would actually want to buy it. I don't imagine there is a great queue of people rushing to buy our ailing club at the minute. If somebody was in the market to invest tens of millions of pounds in buying a club and financing the building of a decent squad, I would image there are probably 10 or 15 clubs that would be a more attractive proposition that Bolton Wanderers at the minute

There is nothing wrong with keeping Davies at the club if we go down, but we must have a striker playing off him, and ditch 4-5-1 FOREVER.

There is nothing wrong with keeping Davies at the club if we go down, but we must have a striker playing off him, and ditch 4-5-1 FOREVER.

I agree 100%, it has to be 4-4-2. Davies would be good as the "big man" in a two up front partnership, especially in the Championship

There is nothing wrong with keeping Davies at the club if we go down, but we must have a striker playing off him, and ditch 4-5-1 FOREVER.

 

Folk can get a little hung up on the formation in my opinion.

 

I do prefer 4-4-2 in general.

 

However

 

For me it's all about how you play the formation.

 

4-5-1 can work exceptionally well and can be very attacking as long as you have wide men that get in behind the opposition and midfielders that support the lone striker.

 

Or problem is often that Davies will receive the ball on the break or counter-attack and when he looks up we have nobody attacking the box for fear that we'll lose the ball and be hit on the break ourselves.

 

It's simply the negativity that's stopping us.

Folk can get a little hung up on the formation in my opinion.

 

I do prefer 4-4-2 in general.

 

However

 

For me it's all about how you play the formation.

 

4-5-1 can work exceptionally well and can be very attacking as long as you have wide men that get in behind the opposition and midfielders that support the lone striker.

 

Or problem is often that Davies will receive the ball on the break or counter-attack and when he looks up we have nobody attacking the box for fear that we'll lose the ball and be hit on the break ourselves.

 

It's simply the negativity that's stopping us.

 

 

4-4-2 yes, but Davies is simply garbage, the only thing he is good at is playing physical football (but not too dirty), he cannot score, he has no pace, he cannot pass, and his tackles lead to more fouls than winning the ball. As much as people like his spirit, it is the managements shortsightenness in playing him that is one of the reasons ware struggling, the other being we cannot score and we play to many directionless longer balls. Time to start afresh, regardless of the division we are in next season.

4-4-2 yes, but Davies is simply garbage, the only thing he is good at is playing physical football (but not too dirty), he cannot score, he has no pace, he cannot pass, and his tackles lead to more fouls than winning the ball. As much as people like his spirit, it is the managements shortsightenness in playing him that is one of the reasons ware struggling, the other being we cannot score and we play to many directionless longer balls. Time to start afresh, regardless of the division we are in next season.

 

Spot on, on Saturday he could not manage a simple 6 yard pass to the feet of Taylor who would have a had a 1 on 1 with the keeper (probably have missed!), at times he is embarrasing.

4-4-2 yes, but Davies is simply garbage, the only thing he is good at is playing physical football (but not too dirty), he cannot score, he has no pace, he cannot pass, and his tackles lead to more fouls than winning the ball. As much as people like his spirit, it is the managements shortsightenness in playing him that is one of the reasons ware struggling, the other being we cannot score and we play to many directionless longer balls. Time to start afresh, regardless of the division we are in next season.

 

But whom do you replace Davies with right now?

 

And should we replace him, it won't stop the other players being short on confidence and it's likely we'll still punt it long

Folk can get a little hung up on the formation in my opinion.

 

I do prefer 4-4-2 in general.

 

However

 

For me it's all about how you play the formation.

 

4-5-1 can work exceptionally well and can be very attacking as long as you have wide men that get in behind the opposition and midfielders that support the lone striker.

 

Or problem is often that Davies will receive the ball on the break or counter-attack and when he looks up we have nobody attacking the box for fear that we'll lose the ball and be hit on the break ourselves.

 

It's simply the negativity that's stopping us.

 

I agree with that.

 

I don't think we have ever had the 4-5-1 working well from the attacking perspective - the closest being was when we had Diouf and Stelios playing off Davies, with the quality and creativity of Okocha in midfield. Then we had four guys (Stelios, Diouf, Nolan and Davies) who could get 8-10 goals in a season, although we lacked pace.

 

The way we are using it now suggests the manager doesn't understand it - not only have we no pace but we have replaced a quality, intelligent, goalscoring player with a defensive midfielder who has no creativity or finishing instinct. Thus we have limited our ability to create chances and more importantly to take those that do come along. Add to that we have limited quality in the three in midfield, and our defenders are not as good at scoring at set pieces as Jaidi, N'Gotty were then you get consistent nils in the goals for column.

 

If we go down, none of this bodes well for next season when we can expect Davies (if he stays) and Taylor (but no Diouf) to be the cornerstones of our attacking threat.

But whom do you replace Davies with right now?

 

And should we replace him, it won't stop the other players being short on confidence and it's likely we'll still punt it long

 

 

I guess all we have left (noting how people think Braaten, Vaz Te, Helguson, Rasziak are shite) is Harsanyi, the point being that Davies is adding nothing to the attacking options.

 

As to your second point...I agree totally, none of our players know how to pass the ball, it has been drummed out of them by Allardyce and Megson, which is why sammy lee failed, as he tried to change it, and the players could not adapt.

Some people have very short memories. Kevin Davies has been a key figure in the success we've enjoyed over recent seasons. Whilst he's no Ronaldo or Henry there's a good reason why the likes of Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson have moaned about him in the press - they all know that he's been instrumental in the victories we've had over the all the big boys in the past few seasons. But what do they know....

Some people have very short memories. Kevin Davies has been a key figure in the success we've enjoyed over recent seasons. Whilst he's no Ronaldo or Henry there's a good reason why the likes of Benitez, Wenger and Ferguson have moaned about him in the press - they all know that he's been instrumental in the victories we've had over the all the big boys in the past few seasons. But what do they know....

 

Maybe,but he could have been replaced with another target man to win headers and rough defences up easily enough.

I don't rate Davies as a key figure in our relative success under Allardyce.

I don't think there's any point in arguing over whether Allardyce brought us success. I personally thought he did ... but know that for every person who considers what he achieved 'success' there's someone else who doesn't. However I always thought our results were considerably poorer when Davies was missing from the team whether through injury or suspension. I may be wrong....

I don't think there's any point in arguing over whether Allardyce brought us success. I personally thought he did ... but know that for every person who considers what he achieved 'success' there's someone else who doesn't. However I always thought our results were considerably poorer when Davies was missing from the team whether through injury or suspension. I may be wrong....

Allardyce brought us our highest league positions for a few decades so it was a successful era,but he won nowt.

Key players under the Allardyce era to me were Ricketts,Djorkaeff,Okocha,Nolan,Bergsson and even Anelka for his one season.Players who were the difference between us getting promoted/staying up/qualifying for Europe.

There would have be a long list of "key" players for Kevin Davies to make it imo.

Allardyce brought us our highest league positions for a few decades so it was a successful era,but he won nowt.

Key players under the Allardyce era to me were Ricketts,Djorkaeff,Okocha,Nolan,Bergsson and even Anelka for his one season.Players who were the difference between us getting promoted/staying up/qualifying for Europe.

There would have be a long list of "key" players for Kevin Davies to make it imo.

 

I think Allardyce and the 4-5-1 system worked a treat when we had skillful players all over the pitch i.e. JJ & Youri, and Ricketts to inject some power & pace coming off the bench. this gave the opposition something to think about, however, now our midfield is so slow & poor they can let them have the ball and feel confident nothing will happen from it. They can then drop deep as we have no pace at all up front and concentrate on marking Davies out of the game and mopping up anything he may occasionally flick on.

 

I think this is partly why Davies has looked much worse this season, however it does not excuse his appalling passing and finishing ability in open play. I also believe this is why Nolan also looks rubbish as in previous seasons it was someone else's job to be creative in midfield, releasing him to make late runs into the box and score more goals. JJ has never been replaced.

Edited March 25, 200818 yr by JimmyRiddle