YATESY Posted March 27, 2009 Posted March 27, 2009 We played even more under Sammy Lee and look what happend there, Looking back, Sammy Lee had the right ideas on how the game should be played but the wrong idea that the players he had could carry out his plan. I can recall many sat around us quickly losing patience with the nice triangles and possession football we tried to play under Lee with shouts like "get the ball up to Davies", "hoof it", etc. These are the same idiots who are no calling Megson for his Bolton team reverting to type and playing too much long ball football. Given the players we have now, could the footballing ideas of Sammy Lee have worked or, linking to a thread in the other bit, does it just boil down to him being too small to be a manager?
Casino Posted March 27, 2009 Posted March 27, 2009 from time to time, our current lot show a bit of confidence on the ball at the back moreso when peagreen plays the idiots who say we play shite football get on their backs 2 passes in don't you meldrew still makes me smile when folk hark back to the years under greaves as something great, skill wise at that time clowns labelled us boring cos we passed it about TOO much laughable
victor meldrew Posted March 27, 2009 Posted March 27, 2009 from time to time, our current lot show a bit of confidence on the ball at the back moreso when peagreen plays the idiots who say we play shite football get on their backs 2 passes in don't you meldrew still makes me smile when folk hark back to the years under greaves as something great, skill wise at that time clowns labelled us boring cos we passed it about TOO much laughable 2 passes and we normally give it away especially roberto carlos and fabric mumbai.... colin todd's teams played good football..
Gonk Posted March 27, 2009 Posted March 27, 2009 2 passes and we normally give it away especially roberto carlos and fabric mumbai.... colin todd's teams played good football and got relegated..
Russell Sprout Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I think the fans get a little bit frustrated when we pass it away so often and lets face it, the possession stas have been very poor this season. What does need looking at is the coaching that's going on. There have been a lot of long breaks this season, not all for Internationals, but we dont see much evidence that they have been learning how to pass and move, which even a team like Fulham showed us how to do. And they finished below us last season.
bolty58 Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I think the fans get a little bit frustrated when we pass it away so often and lets face it, the possession stas have been very poor this season. What does need looking at is the coaching that's going on. There have been a lot of long breaks this season, not all for Internationals, but we dont see much evidence that they have been learning how to pass and move, which even a team like Fulham showed us how to do. And they finished below us last season. Yes. Teams who finished ahead of us last season are now below us. Pretty easy to highlight one statistic to prove a point but leave lots of others out. BTW, I agree that we aren't the prettiest passing team (although I would say we do have our moments) but, thinking back and looking at West Brom now for example, pretty football isn't necessarily successful football. I though we learned that hard lesson some seasons back when we were a yoyo club.
Russell Sprout Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 Fair points, I just think we need to improve our passing standards next season as we may not get a run like last November. Lucky we maneged those wins in the North East I think.
Casino Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 I think the fans get a little bit frustrated when we pass it away so often and lets face it, the possession stas have been very poor this season. What does need looking at is the coaching that's going on. There have been a lot of long breaks this season, not all for Internationals, but we dont see much evidence that they have been learning how to pass and move, which even a team like Fulham showed us how to do. And they finished below us last season. as i posted earlier, whenever it doesn't get lumped, the same moaners start with their grumbles
adambwfc Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Fair points, I just think we need to improve our passing standards next season as we may not get a run like last November. Lucky we maneged those wins in the North East I think. Yep definetely luck. No chance that he's actually a half decent manager.
colditz Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Sorry, no chance of that. i am 94 years old and he is the worst manager since William Strutters
colditz Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Yes. Teams who finished ahead of us last season are now below us. Pretty easy to highlight one statistic to prove a point but leave lots of others out. BTW, I agree that we aren't the prettiest passing team (although I would say we do have our moments) but, thinking back and looking at West Brom now for example, pretty football isn't necessarily successful football. I though we learned that hard lesson some seasons back when we were a yoyo club. when was the last time you went a match, i was out last night watching England with 6 Bolton fans, none of them will go a match under Moanson, might be in the premiership at the moment, but we are watching it in a championship atmosphere, 10 pound tickets last time , put all of 1000 on the gate, MEGSON OUT, GARTSIDE OUT, SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT
Russell Sprout Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I think it's fair enough that the club try out a few initiatives against the likes of Fulham, but I dont think there was anywhere near the 22000 quoted gate. The whole of the top stand was closed and there were large gaps everywhere. I suppose they count s/ts regardless of whether they turn up.
Gonk Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 when was the last time you went a match, i was out last night watching England with 6 Bolton fans, none of them will go a match under Moanson, might be in the premiership at the moment, but we are watching it in a championship atmosphere,10 pound tickets last time , put all of 1000 on the gate, MEGSON OUT, GARTSIDE OUT, SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT To me, that just shows that your mates are a bunch of small minded band wagon jumping individuals, and you're obviously in good company. Personally, with that attitude, I'm glad they've decided not to attend.
Guest Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) when was the last time you went a match, i was out last night watching England with 6 Bolton fans, none of them will go a match under Moanson, might be in the premiership at the moment, but we are watching it in a championship atmosphere,10 pound tickets last time , put all of 1000 on the gate, MEGSON OUT, GARTSIDE OUT, SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT What have they done wrong? Edited March 29, 2009 by boltondiver
no balls Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 The Megson bit, well I suppose each to their own opinion. But the Gartside bit, I really don't understand.
bolty58 Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 when was the last time you went a match, i was out last night watching England with 6 Bolton fans, none of them will go a match under Moanson, might be in the premiership at the moment, but we are watching it in a championship atmosphere,10 pound tickets last time , put all of 1000 on the gate, MEGSON OUT, GARTSIDE OUT, SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT Unfortunately, last season matey. I ain't gonna go through my history all over again but suffice to say I've spent a small fcuking fortune in the last 20 years of living in Oz and following my beloved whites. I was in Skopje and Madrid during the last UEFA campaign. There's enough on here can vouch for me. Been to games in 18 of those 20 years - sometimes 5 a season, other times as low as two. Before I left England I followed them for 25 years - every home game apart from what you could count on one hand and at least 50% of aways. From oz alone, I have spent more than a season ticket would have cost for 20 years just for fcuking flights. You don't have to question my devotion to the cause mate. I question yours and your 6 mates. Not going whilst Megson is manager? Fcuk me - I hope he sneaks us into europe and I'd bet my left one that some of you 7 would be on the euro trips?
Hutch Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 i was out last night watching England with 6 Bolton fans, none of them will go a match under Moanson, might be in the premiership at the moment, but we are watching it in a championship atmosphere,10 pound tickets last time , put all of 1000 on the gate, MEGSON OUT, GARTSIDE OUT, SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT I differ from you with what I would class as a "fan" At 94 years old, you should be taking it easy at your time of life instead of going out at teatime
Casino Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I think it's fair enough that the club try out a few initiatives against the likes of Fulham, but I dont think there was anywhere near the 22000 quoted gate. The whole of the top stand was closed and there were large gaps everywhere. I suppose they count s/ts regardless of whether they turn up. you suppose wrong the top tier holds, what, 2500 perhaps they just make up gate figures to mislead the tax-man
waffer cup 07 Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Unfortunately, last season matey. I ain't gonna go through my history all over again but suffice to say I've spent a small fcuking fortune in the last 20 years of living in Oz and following my beloved whites. I was in Skopje and Madrid during the last UEFA campaign. There's enough on here can vouch for me. Been to games in 18 of those 20 years - sometimes 5 a season, other times as low as two. Before I left England I followed them for 25 years - every home game apart from what you could count on one hand and at least 50% of aways. From oz alone, I have spent more than a season ticket would have cost for 20 years just for fcuking flights. You don't have to question my devotion to the cause mate. I question yours and your 6 mates. Not going whilst Megson is manager? Fcuk me - I hope he sneaks us into europe and I'd bet my left one that some of you 7 would be on the euro trips? Don't understand this, i'm not going while he's manager. Surely if you support a club you go regardless to support the 11 on the pitch. You don't go to support a manager. I actually think if Megson keeps us up he's doing OK. Iwould though expect him to then build for next season and to see an improvement not only in results but in style of play. I do feel that quite a few occasions this season the players have let him down.
Wigan White Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 See, that's where I have a problem. Those who show their displeasure by constant criticism and moaning from the stands during games are contributing to what they, allegedly, don't want to see. If you don't believe me - take a look at Stoke and their home record. Of the 32 points they have won, only 4 have been won away from home. Solid, unwavering support has been a major factor in the 28 points they have amassed at home. Any chance the negative bast?rds we have in the crowd might be able to grasp this concept? I agree entirely, we need to support the team. All I seem to hear is moaning. If we do something right people still moan!! We need to get behind the lads and stop wingeing like effin girls. Yes we pay for our tickets and therfore have a right to moan but my point is that half the moaning cu-nts in the reebok should open there mouths in support before they decide to critisise the players. I have watched bolton through the prem (I wish I'd been ther at Burnden but we cant go back in time) and every week before I take my seat I hear people moaning I hope he doesn't play x y or z, we should be behind the lads who ever takes the field!!
Russell Sprout Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Well, if I suppose wrong about the attendance, there were a lot of people who agreed with me. Nothing like 22000 in the ground, maybe if you include all s/t holders there might be, but there were big gaps all over the ground, not just the top tier. On the others points about Sammy Lee and a passing game, his mistake was to forget to sign a defence. I can honestly say I have never heard anyone criticise a passing movement, not that we see many. The only decent move we put together against Fulham, we scored. When we had Frandsen, JJ, Youri etc passing it around defences, I never heard anyone shout " hoof it " so not sure what games you are watching. The fans have been remarkably patient and supportive all season, they have actually been much better than the manager, coaches and players.
Gonk Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Don't understand this, i'm not going while he's manager. Surely if you support a club you go regardless to support the 11 on the pitch. You don't go to support a manager. I actually think if Megson keeps us up he's doing OK. Iwould though expect him to then build for next season and to see an improvement not only in results but in style of play. I do feel that quite a few occasions this season the players have let him down. He's Australian you plum - lives in Perth WA. I reckon he can be excused not going
Casino Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Well, if I suppose wrong about the attendance, there were a lot of people who agreed with me. Nothing like 22000 in the ground, maybe if you include all s/t holders there might be, but there were big gaps all over the ground, not just the top tier. On the others points about Sammy Lee and a passing game, his mistake was to forget to sign a defence. I can honestly say I have never heard anyone criticise a passing movement, not that we see many. The only decent move we put together against Fulham, we scored. When we had Frandsen, JJ, Youri etc passing it around defences, I never heard anyone shout " hoof it " so not sure what games you are watching. The fans have been remarkably patient and supportive all season, they have actually been much better than the manager, coaches and players. maybe its you shouting it it happens maybe you've also forgotten the stick okocha got
Russell Sprout Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 maybe its you shouting it it happens maybe you've also forgotten the stick okocha got Actually, I have forgotten the stick JJ got. Sounds like you have super hero ears to pick up on all these sighs, comments, groans, mutters from around the ground. Ive noticed it twice this season at the Reebok. Northampton cup game- 2-0 down at h/t, could have been 5. Fulham game after McCann passed it across his own area for the 3rd. On a serious note, there have always been comments/chat/banter, call it what you like about team selections, the way we are playing. It was much worse at Burnden at h/t if we were losing or playing badly. At the bars/refreshments or in the Gents, there would be some pretty vocal people, so it's always gone on. I take no notice of it, just part of football for me. People pay their money, can shout what they like. But repeating myself, the Reebok crowd have been very good this season. Away from home, a couple of hours in a pub near WBA, or Spurs or wherever has a way of turning normally reasonable, law abiding people into nutters who just like to show off with an audience.
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