March 15, 201214 yr just been sent this link... should start an interesting discussion. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17382896 edit, just realised i've spelt the name wrong Edited March 15, 201214 yr by only1swanny
March 15, 201214 yr From the Taylor Report itself; Leppings Lane and its environs comprise a mixed shopping and residential area. Local residents saw groups of Liverpool supporters keen to find a public house or off-licence. Many were asking for tickets or "spares". There were a few touts selling them at inflated prices. From an early stage, some of the fans were using private gardens and yards to urinate. As the morning wore on, numbers increased. Requests for tickets and trespass to urinate also increased. Some 23 public houses, however, served over a hundred Liverpool supporters each. Another 51 served more than 20 each. Little trouble was reported, but many supporters drank enough to affect their mood. Towards the end of the morning, fans gathered on and around the bridge near the Leppings Lane entrance. They seemed reluctant to enter the ground early. All turnstiles were open at 12 noon and one or two as early as 11.30 am. Some 53 police had been deployed to operate outside the turnstiles and in the Leppings Lane area. They enquired at random whether fans had tickets. Those who had not were advised to go away; nevertheless, many returned more than once. Those who had tickets were guided in the right direction. The police tried to persuade them to enter the ground early. At the back of the crowd fans were frustrated by the lack of progress as 3 o'clock approached. Some, mostly young men who had been drinking, tried to push and force their way forward. At the front, people were jammed together and against the turnstile walls. Some panicked as the pressure intensified. At 2.48 pm, whilst Mr Duckenfield was considering the request, gate C opened to eject a youth who had climbed in with no ticket. Immediately, fans outside took advantage and about 150 managed to get in before a mounted officer enabled the gate to be closed again. The largest entry, however, was through gate C. In the five minutes it was open about 2,000 fans passed through it steadily at a fast walk. Some may have had tickets for the stands. No doubt some had no tickets at all. The above is very selective cutting and pasting from the interim Taylor Report but it does make me wonder if the scousers, when they say they didnt do XYZ, have actually read it. http://www.fsf.org.u...illsborough.pdf Edited March 15, 201214 yr by Smiffs
March 15, 201214 yr The way Liverpool fans have dragged this out to try and clear their own guilty consciences is a disgrace to the memory of the poor souls who died. If they just said "we fucked up, the police did too, let's move on, RIP" everyone would have left them alone. As it is, they'll never be free of the guilt and they fucking know it. I dislike manyoo on a footballing level. I hate these cunts on a human one.
March 15, 201214 yr yep lets face it...many were pissed...many had no tickets...the gates opened they steamed in.... don't blame em for that.... what happened after was horrific... but to try and blame every other fucker ...is disgraceful ....
March 16, 201214 yr I obviously wasn't there so I don't know the extent of the barging through the gates and the drunkenness. There are also obviously questions for the Police who ought to have been directing the fans to the pens that were not yet full to capacity. Were the police partially culpable, my guess -yes. Were they absolutely culpable and the only underlying factor in the tragedy, my opinion - no. What has most frustrated me about news reporting and opinions offered during the week is the way people (even those who remember the 70s and 80s) persist on viewing the events of Hillsborough through the eyes of 2012 football fans. The norms and standards of today are irrelevant and a world away from what went on in 1989. Given that drunkenness and unruly behaviour were rife at football grounds in the 80s it is hard to imagine that absolutely none of the above was going on that day. My guess is it is the extent to which it is going on that is what should be debated, not whether it was going on at all. In any case its surely time to move beyond the blame game now. Worth remembering that the flags at the Reebok were at half mast last weekend. Its not like Bolton people can't equate with having to deal with a tragedy of this ilk (albeit many years before).
March 16, 201214 yr yep lets face it...many were pissed...many had no tickets...the gates opened they steamed in.... don't blame em for that.... what happened after was horrific... but to try and blame every other fucker ...is disgraceful ....
March 16, 201214 yr In any case its surely time to move beyond the 'where there's blame there's a claim' game now.
March 16, 201214 yr Why are the ticketless fans who broke into the ground not to blame? cos they are scousers who are never at fault not called self pity city for nowt
March 16, 201214 yr cos they are scousers who are never at fault not called self pity city for nowt besides we all know rupert murdoch from the sun caused it
March 16, 201214 yr Why are the ticketless fans who broke into the ground not to blame? no you misunderstood .... i don't blame them for wanting to get into the ground to watch their team in the semi of the cup... do you honestly believe young jonny from aigburth and his mates who saw a gate open and took the opportunity to jib in...could possibly foresee what their actions would cause? but for the rest of that city to then try and blame everybody else for the last 20 odd years is unbelievable
just been sent this link...
should start an interesting discussion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17382896
edit, just realised i've spelt the name wrong
Edited by only1swanny